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xyoverland

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I ordered Spicer non greasable ones and they’ll hopefully be here Friday. I’ll probably proactively try and get replacement hardware from the dealer with the assumption I’ll strip or round some. Bearing press I can rent free from Auto Zone.
 

TerryD

Total Tease
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Covington, Va
Get some fine sand paper and sand the yoke ears till the caps will almost press in by hand. And be careful pushing the caps on. The seals kept popping off as I pushed them on.

I ruined one seal so order a spare joint. You can keep it in your spares box and even if it's missing a seal or two, it will get you back to the pavement so you can fix it right later. Plus the 1310 and 1330 use the same cap so you'll still have spares when you do your rear shaft.
 

RamblinRover

First Fill-Up (of many)
I ordered Spicer non greasable ones and they’ll hopefully be here Friday. I’ll probably proactively try and get replacement hardware from the dealer with the assumption I’ll strip or round some. Bearing press I can rent free from Auto Zone.
I use a hammer, a socket the size of the yoke and a large punch ( in my case it's a center pin from a rear diff that holds the spider gears in place ) and hammer them in and out. I've done so many this way on the trail I do it this way at the shop. The press can mess up the yoke if not centered well so just keep an eye on it.
 

Gen X

First Fill-Up (of many)
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Ashburn, VA
Can I find my engine number somewhere other than on the engine block? Any stickers with the info? I need it for the export paperwork and tried finding it on the block with no luck.
 

Muadeeb

Nissan al Gaib
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Dallas
Someone with a Gen 2 can look closer, but it seems the engine SN is on the left side, below and in front of the exhaust manifold. Best guess is about 1/2 way from the head to the oil pan. Maybe.

There might be a crossreference the dealers have access to for Engine SN to VIN, but who knows.
 

xyoverland

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Virginia
I use a hammer, a socket the size of the yoke and a large punch ( in my case it's a center pin from a rear diff that holds the spider gears in place ) and hammer them in and out. I've done so many this way on the trail I do it this way at the shop. The press can mess up the yoke if not centered well so just keep an eye on it.
The manual actually says to use a hammer too, so that’s what I’ll do. Still haven’t found part numbers for the front bolts/nuts yet but have to be getting close.
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RamblinRover

First Fill-Up (of many)
The manual actually says to use a hammer too, so that’s what I’ll do. Still haven’t found part numbers for the front bolts/nuts yet but have to be getting close.
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As a side note those clips can be a pain but side cutters work well to pinch them in. If they seem to be stuck pinch them in and twist the cutters and it usually pulls them out of the grove.
 

xyoverland

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Virginia
I changed the front ujoints. Buttoned everything back up, test drove it, and that wasn’t what was making the popping/clunking sound. That sucks.
 

xyoverland

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Virginia
When does it pop and clunk?
Low speed and much more pronounced when going between forward and reverse, and seems much louder when first driven (cold). Turning into and out of parking spots with a slight incline is loudest where I can also feel it through the floor.
 

xyoverland

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Virginia
Did you check the rear at the t-case?

Is it a constant, rhythmic thing or just here and there?
Yeah, the rear looked fine. I didn’t even change that ujoint yet because I was tapped out yesterday. It’s not constant at all. I’ve attempted to stick a camera under there a few times and of course can’t replicate it when it’s recording. Going to try again this morning. It seems like it’s definitely in the front. More on the left but occasionally on the right.

Could it be the bearing inside the hub? The day it was the loudest I lifted the tire up that night and had no play in any direction, which if I remember correctly means it’s not the hub itself.
 

xyoverland

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Virginia
Check your transmission mount and motor mounts. Usually, going into and out of gear thumps are one of those.
I’ll check them. I should clarify though that it doesn’t happen ‘when’ I switch directions, but that’s what resets it essentially. I’ll get one really good clunk then a couple smaller ones then it won’t do it again until after I switch directions. I’ve checked all my suspension mounts/bolts and they seem fine. I initially thought it was my UCA bushing failing, but it’s not just a single clunk — it definitely seems like it’s with motion. This morning I’m going to put the camera underneath pointed up at the inside of the wheel and hopefully it will do it.
 

outback97

Wheeling
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SLC, Utah
Low speed and much more pronounced when going between forward and reverse, and seems much louder when first driven (cold). Turning into and out of parking spots with a slight incline is loudest where I can also feel it through the floor.
IMO it could also be a wheel hub. Mine was pretty clunky on the bench after removal but I couldn’t get any sense of looseness when installed. I tried rocking the suspended front wheels to check for play but I suspect my skinny self couldn’t generate enough force compared to a 5000# vehicle in motion.

In my case there was a clunk turning into driveways that was resolved when I replaced most of the front end suspension components. So it could have been LCA or UCA ball joints but the wheel hub was noticeably loose upon disassembly.
 

xyoverland

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Virginia
I think I got it. LCA bushings maybe. But would appreciate expert opinion. I caught at least a click (not the full clunk), and it looks like when I scrub back and forth the LCA when should just be rotating is actually moving in and out.

Posting videos in a second. The important question, is it safe to drive right now? Or do I need to park it and wait for parts?
 

xyoverland

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These are Moog LCAs installed March 2020 just under 25k miles ago. I’ll probably get a different brand bushing this time assuming the size is OEM/universal. Edit: bushings are $58 per side and a new arm is $75-95 depending on brand. I wonder if I should just do that and not have to worry about when the ball joint will fail.

Another question: should I get new cam bolts as well in case of unnatural wear? Cheap enough where I wouldn’t mind.

Zoomed in view of the LCA: https://youtube.com/shorts/xe9-eJ3kar0?feature=share

Full video: https://youtube.com/shorts/F1CXdHiZ8Vw?feature=share
 
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xyoverland

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I ended up ordering new LCAs entirely as well as new cam bolts. Driver side arrives tomorrow and I’ll get that in tomorrow evening then passenger side arrives Friday. Driver side is the worst one anyhow.

Everything was free returns, so if I can get Moog to warranty replace the bad ones I’ll be able to get money back from Amazon. Just need the driver side ones to make it another 40 miles and I’ll take it easy on turns and such where it will shift.
 

Prime

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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Buy OE lowers (unless you have Dirt King money). My OE Xterra lowers had 130k on them and the only reason I changed them was because the bolts were seized and I couldn't do an alignment after lifting it.

When I did the swap, I bought OE lowers. And I expect to never have to touch them unless I get Dirt King money (which won't happen).

Definitely buy OE eccentric bolts. I bought the Moog ones and they failed in 10k miles.

This is one of those situations where OE is worth the money. $75 for Moog. $150 for OE. But to never have to mess with them? That's worth $75.
 

xyoverland

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I’ve heard/read though that the Moog/Mevotech lowers have more articulation in the ball joint for extended length/travel shocks. Is that not a factor?

I’ll see if dealers near me have the cam bolts. Had never heard of Dirt King before just now, but if it’s lots of $$ that’s likely out.
 

xyoverland

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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Buy OE lowers (unless you have Dirt King money). My OE Xterra lowers had 130k on them and the only reason I changed them was because the bolts were seized and I couldn't do an alignment after lifting it.

When I did the swap, I bought OE lowers. And I expect to never have to touch them unless I get Dirt King money (which won't happen).

Definitely buy OE eccentric bolts. I bought the Moog ones and they failed in 10k miles.

This is one of those situations where OE is worth the money. $75 for Moog. $150 for OE. But to never have to mess with them? That's worth $75.
Actually more importantly, what happened when your cam bolts failed? I don’t know for sure it’s the bushing and not the bolt or some other thing. I just know what’s in the above video.

Also, looks like post-pandemic price for OE LCA is $220 per side. I’ve heard nothing but good stories on Moog LCAs, until of course my own situation.
 

Prime

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The washers no longer turned with the bolts. So you could turn the bolt constantly and the washers wouldn't rotate. Meaning that the alignment was ufcked and couldn't really fix it.
 
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Prime

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Had never heard of Dirt King before just now, but if it’s lots of $$ that’s likely out.
Off road centered. Claims more travel. Doesn't have sway bar mounts. About $1200 for the pair. They might only have Titan width too. Don't know if they do an Xterra set.
 

xyoverland

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The washers no longer turned with the bolts. So you could turn the bolt constantly and the washers wouldn't rotate. Meaning that the alignment was ufcked and couldn't really fix it.
I’m going to go down in a minute and mark current position then turn each side and see if the whole thing turns or what. Last week there was one instance of a big crunch/clunk I’m sure something broke. If it was the bushing I can at least make it to work and back tomorrow (knock on wood). If the bolt broke that’s a disaster waiting to happen and I’m parking it.
 

xyoverland

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To be clear, the bolt didn't break. It just separated from the washer.
I won’t know for sure until I take it all apart tomorrow, but I was able to undo the nut with ease and the eccentric washer on that side spun with it, while the washer on the bolt side didn’t move at all.
 

xyoverland

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I'm debating on just installing poly bushings in my control arms when the time comes.
I considered doing that instead of replacing the arms but everything I read said the task was terrible. If the bushings on my new ones go bad again that will likely be the route I take.
 

xyoverland

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As it turns out, bushing inside the LCA was also ripped. I'm thinking maybe due to extra play provided by D-shaped cam bolts that apparently can stretch -- but I don't know for sure. Amazon put up a fight about it, but ultimately they're allowing me to return the arms under warranty for a full refund. I have a new arm in on the driver side now with OEM cam bolts, and passenger side is hopefully getting done tomorrow night.

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@xterraography came by to help out last night, and he has the same exact sound as I did, though less visible play than I had. He has Mevotech lowers and SPC cam bolts, but same design. I'm wondering if that's the same deal.
 

outback97

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I had some used OEM LCA's I got from another forum member at TNX that I tried to install a few years ago. One was fine, but the other had a bent ball joint. I needed something quickly so I got a Moog LCA. It's still doing fine but it's only been like 7000 miles ago.

The Moog part was noticeably lower quality than the OE. Complete saga here, Moog content in post #24:

 

Mar10OR

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Burlington KY
Hello good folks.
Thought I’d come back in and be a member again, lol. And what better way?

Im fat.
Need to lose 30lbs. So? Anyone got some real world pointers?

Why am I asking here? Because I trust most of your opinions and need solid advice I can stick to.
I don’t drink or smoke. But I eat like sh1t. Bad. Real bad…. And too sedentary.

Fire away. And TYIA
 

Prime

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Hello good folks.
Thought I’d come back in and be a member again, lol. And what better way?

Im fat.
Need to lose 30lbs. So? Anyone got some real world pointers?

Why am I asking here? Because I trust most of your opinions and need solid advice I can stick to.
I don’t drink or smoke. But I eat like sh1t. Bad. Real bad…. And too sedentary.

Fire away. And TYIA
 

xyoverland

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Virginia
View: https://youtu.be/wOdqnmMzCKQ


Over the past week I’ve replaced both LCAs and cam bolts, and had two quiet days of riding around, and now today the front passenger side of my UCA bushing is making this noise during small movements. There’s still a little bit of noise if I rock it really hard, but this click-type noise is with small movements so it’s near constant. In the past I’ve sprayed a little graphite lube on leaf springs and the edges of bushings and achieved silence for months at least. Didn’t do anything in this case.

If this was your truck, what’s your next move? Loosen and re-tighten this one bolt? Replace the bushings or arms entirely? Turn the radio up louder?

There is zero play in it and nothing performance-wise that would indicate any issue. Just the sound.
 

SledheadX

Wheeling
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Rochester, NY
I'd take the uppers off and grease those bushings again, inside against the metal sleeve and outer face, if it's clear that the bushings are the noise. Did you disconnect the upper ball joint to isolate the arms while testing?
 

xyoverland

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Virginia
I'd take the uppers off and grease those bushings again, inside against the metal sleeve and outer face, if it's clear that the bushings are the noise. Did you disconnect the upper ball joint to isolate the arms while testing?
They’re not greasable bushings, but I guess I can do the outsides or wherever I can get some. I had the ball joints out Friday night and tested for any play by twisting, pulling, etc. It wasn’t making noise yet then though. I’m confident it’s that exact bushing because I held a mic up to both bushings and the ball joint while moving and no question it’s that one.
 
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