What axle for sas

mantree Nov 20, 2016

  1. mantree

    mantree Wheeling

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    I'm thinking of doing a sas on my truck and was wondering what axle I should use to keep the curent bolt pattern and still be able to use my nissan locking hubs?

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  2. Prime

    Prime Some Kind of In Charge? Admin

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    The commonly accepted axle is mid 80s Jeep Grand Wagoneer. It's close to the same width, 6x5.5 lug pattern, but since it's a D44 you have to use their hubs. I don't know of any solid axle that will accept the Nissan hubs.
     
  3. jg8992

    jg8992 Hi, my name is Brandon

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    I think I've seen late 70's Ford axles
     
  4. Prime

    Prime Some Kind of In Charge? Admin

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    Also true. 77-79 Bronco D44. It's a better fit width wise, but you have to change the lug pattern. As it's 5x5.5
     
  5. mantree

    mantree Wheeling

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    Well I guess I'll start keeping an eye out for a waggoner. Has anyone seen a xterra sas using leaf springs instead of coil overs? Since the truck is already got leafes in the back I'd like to stick with that upfront

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  6. jg8992

    jg8992 Hi, my name is Brandon

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    Wife's jeep had front leafs. Not a fan.

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  7. granitex

    granitex Skid Plates Founding Member

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    There are a few sased with leafs up front, if done well they work, a little less expensive than coil overs but they are not as adjustable for lift or axle placement.
     
  8. TheFauxFox

    TheFauxFox Titan Swapped / SAS'd Founding Member

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    Luke's is a leaf spring setup.

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    http://www.xterranation.org/showthread.php?4815-Xterror04-Build-Thread/page7
     
  9. Prime

    Prime Some Kind of In Charge? Admin

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    I've seen a few done with leafs. The cool thing is you just need to weld a front perch to the frame. The center section of the frame already has the holes for the pathfinder shackle kit. So it makes it that much easier.

    Look at the build thread for @Xterror04. His is done with leafs and the Pathy shackle kit.
     
  10. Cptpackrat

    Cptpackrat Bumpers Installed

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    wait... we have holes for shackles??? I need to look into this again!
     
  11. JeffPro4x

    JeffPro4x Hot Pipe Super Moderator Supporting Member

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    I believe Nisstec sells a kit for leafs up front.

    sent from a crawlspace...
     
  12. Prime

    Prime Some Kind of In Charge? Admin

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    Yep. The basics are there. But it still needs a sleeve and bushing kit for the frame.
    And Rugged Rocks. The kit is technically for a 90s Pathy. But it works on the Xterra frame.
     
  13. mantree

    mantree Wheeling

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    How do the struts mount on the nisstec kit? Dose it use the same springs as the rear? They are about 60 miles south of me, and by far the best price. I could grab a set of axles from the wrecking yard.

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  14. Prime

    Prime Some Kind of In Charge? Admin

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    You're on your own on shock mounts. I think Luke's truck uses Bronco shock mounts.
     
  15. xterror04

    xterror04 Site sponsor Founding Member

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    I have the truck pictured above. I love my leaf spring setup.. the Nisstec kit doesn't cover the shock mounts, I used shock towers for a f250, but didn't like the way they sat so I ended up getting shock hoops made. Www.nissannut.com has a ton of info on the setups.
     
  16. diablo3662

    diablo3662 Bought an X

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    You can use 70-79 Ford axles I have 78 Ford. d44HP axle and a rear D60 in my garage. Also you can use Wagoneer axles . 80-85 don't have a Vacuum disconnect. Which is ideal. But u can use 86-89 but they are weaker and have the vacuum disconnect means u have to by pass it also

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  17. diablo3662

    diablo3662 Bought an X

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    And yeah you can do Leaves. Jared Bonney makes the Leaf kit for the front

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  18. mantree

    mantree Wheeling

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    since I am finally getting a house with a garage I am thinking of getting my SAS. Did you use f150 axles? There are about a million later 70s f150s being parted out around here.
     
  19. harryron

    harryron Titan Swapped / SAS'd Supporting Member

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    Try to stay away from the axles from 79 they have cast spring purches. I'm not sure on what other years have them. I was told the idea axle would be from a 76 but they are hard to find.
     
  20. Mixdnuts

    Mixdnuts Test Drive

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    Ok I'm sure if i look a bit harder i would find the answer but it's 4AM and I just want to take the easy road. Do most people swap to the Waggy rear end too? Or is it more common to keep the Nissan diff? Thanks
     
  21. Prime

    Prime Some Kind of In Charge? Admin

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    The 1st Gen Nissan diff is ufcking indestructible. Keep it fo-eva.
     
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  22. Smileyshaun

    Smileyshaun Test Drive

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    Taking the easy road and doing a SAS should not be in the same sentence. Even doing it simple with leaf springs there’s a lot of variables , on top of the axle you need to address.

    Steering
    Brakes
    Spring rate
    Shock valving
    Drive lines
    Frame reinforcement
    Upgraded axle shafts
    Gears
    Lockers (A solid axle swap would be almost pointless without lockers)

    you would be amazed how quickly simple stuff like bolts and hardware will add up . Really sit down and write out every part you’re think you’re going to need to do a solid axle swap figure out the money that will be involved and the time, Then double that budgets and triple the time you think it’s going to take is definitely a more realistic way of approaching a major project on a vehicle.
     
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  23. Bklyn.X

    Bklyn.X Sliders Supporting Member Founding Member

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    ^ This.
    Also don't forget brakes. My OEM MC couldn't stop the truck within a safe distance.
    I’ve got over $10g into my SAS silliness and although I’ve been daily driving and wheeling the truck I’m not done…

    I love it but seriously, what a stupid hobby...people think I'm insane.
     
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  24. Cptpackrat

    Cptpackrat Bumpers Installed

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    So real... Im at like $8500 in mine and im NOWHERE near the end. Need to get my hydro set up, hydro bumps, and all sorts of stupid sh*t... Im at the point I might just ditch the 44/h233b and go to tons... run 40s and send it
     
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  25. Bklyn.X

    Bklyn.X Sliders Supporting Member Founding Member

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    Ha ha ha...
     
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  26. Cptpackrat

    Cptpackrat Bumpers Installed

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    you laugh, but if my wallet would allow it probably would have happend
     
  27. BEEFY

    BEEFY Lockers Installed

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    Once you sas
    Same here
     
  28. Bklyn.X

    Bklyn.X Sliders Supporting Member Founding Member

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    Well yeah, I think a few of us might have gone that way. shiat, I would link the front instead of the radius arms and then link the rear...Yee-haw!
     
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  29. Mixdnuts

    Mixdnuts Test Drive

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    I think you misunderstood me. I know a SAS is a lot of work and planning. I just meant I didn’t want to spend a whole bunch of time searching for the answer early in the morning.
    I was curious because I have the opportunity to pick up some Waggy axles cheap and just wanted to know if I should go for both or just the front.
    Thanks for the detailed input though.
     
  30. Cptpackrat

    Cptpackrat Bumpers Installed

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    linked rear isnt that far off on my rig....
     
  31. harryron

    harryron Titan Swapped / SAS'd Supporting Member

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    If you are lucky enough to find a Wagoner axle cheap and it doesn't have a vaccum disconnect I would say go for it. Stay far away from the calmini kit just ask @Cptpackrat about his experience and many others. If you go leaf spring look into the boonymotorsports hanger kit if he is still making them.
     
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  32. Prime

    Prime Some Kind of In Charge? Admin

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    If I ever built a SAS 1st Gen I'd do leafs. Just for simplicity.
     
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  33. Mixdnuts

    Mixdnuts Test Drive

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    Agree leafs for simplicity and to keep costs down.
     
  34. Cptpackrat

    Cptpackrat Bumpers Installed

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    truth be told I have set both up. I think doing a radius arm setup would be WAY easier to set up and get straight. You need shock hoops, a track bar mount, and a crossmember. Building the RAs is super easy.
     
  35. Smileyshaun

    Smileyshaun Test Drive

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    The nice thing about radius arm setup is you have no pinion angle change when the suspension cycles and great ride quality and in a lot of ways is simpler to setup than leaf springs are. Just make sure to keep you track bar and crossover steering rod as flat as possible and as Parallel to each other as possible and that will keep bump steer to a minimum.
     
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  36. Cptpackrat

    Cptpackrat Bumpers Installed

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    exactly, super easy to set up and you can do it with very little welding to the frame of the truck
     

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