HK 's are nice !!
I love mine..... in the gun loving sort of way...
I saw your collection. Very nice! I love mine, too!
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- Thread starter Jmac289gt
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I saw your collection. Very nice! I love mine, too!
HK..
Bought an X
- Location
- Cincinnati ohio
Welp I got bored and restipple my G19 again lol.
Also started a new AR platform build.. Still waiting on the MFT grip and stock, should be here today, BAD-ASS ambi selector should be Saturday, and my Faxon ARAK 21 upper to come in with in 4 weeks.
Also started a new AR platform build.. Still waiting on the MFT grip and stock, should be here today, BAD-ASS ambi selector should be Saturday, and my Faxon ARAK 21 upper to come in with in 4 weeks.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
Is that a polymer lower?
jmnielsen
Need Bigger Tires
- Location
- Lincoln, NE
Looks like a Seekins precision billet lower to me.
Kyle
Wheeling
- Location
- Chesapeake, VA
Sure. I'll have to look into them though. I was choosing the S&W mostly because of the price tag. A lot of these guns are $500+ and that one is like $350. I don't have much money lol.
I just want something I can conceal carry for protection. I live in an area with a very high crime rate. Coming from an rural area previously, that, combined with the traffic, bothers me greatly.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
I was hoping to find someone I semi-know that had a polymer lower so I could get a review from someone I know rather than some random putz on the net that may have been paid to sing the praises of the product
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
If you're aiming to stay cheap, at least step up to an XD.
I learned one very important fact: never get a "cheap" gun because it's all you can afford, for your own protection, wait a little longer till you can afford the better gun, because when the cheap one breaks, you're out more $$ and you're without the gun while you send it for repairs...
jmnielsen
Need Bigger Tires
- Location
- Lincoln, NE
The M&Ps are supposed to be great guns. I know they have gotten some great reviews from a lot of people that actually use their guns a lot (classes and such) and would not hesitate to buy one myself.
As for the polymer lowers, I would use one for say- a dedicated 22lr build. I don't think one would stand the abuse of 5.56 or larger unless you were shooting once, waiting, shooting once again, waiting. I had a buddy that had the lower break right where the buffer to screws in.
As for the polymer lowers, I would use one for say- a dedicated 22lr build. I don't think one would stand the abuse of 5.56 or larger unless you were shooting once, waiting, shooting once again, waiting. I had a buddy that had the lower break right where the buffer to screws in.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
Everything I've seen and heard (including my local gun dealer) as been that XD/XDm/XDs and glock are top tier of "affordable" guns that will hang with the h&k's, walthers, and other "upper echelon" gun brands...for him, the XD/XDm/XDs are his first choice, and they certainly don't have to be. What I've heard about the S&W pistols is that they try to be a "cheap glock" except they fail to stand up as well. Not as tight QA/QC, looser tolerances, etc. Bad gun 1:100 instead of 1:10,000 sort of thing.
That said, I think nismo has one and likes hers, I can just say I don't like the feel, and the one I shot just didn't scream "buy me" in angelic chorus style from the heavens. I picked up an XD and said "very nice, I like it".
Also, If you're finding an m&p 9/40/45 for 350, buy it now, their MSRP is HIGHER than that of the XD, and I just paid $550 for my 5" XD40, which has an msrp of 625 I think?
That said, I think nismo has one and likes hers, I can just say I don't like the feel, and the one I shot just didn't scream "buy me" in angelic chorus style from the heavens. I picked up an XD and said "very nice, I like it".
Also, If you're finding an m&p 9/40/45 for 350, buy it now, their MSRP is HIGHER than that of the XD, and I just paid $550 for my 5" XD40, which has an msrp of 625 I think?
Pro-2X
Suspension Lift
- Location
- Rockmart, GA
The way that an M&P breaks down is a deal breaker for me. I like my FN in case I ever need to do any trouble shooting. Never have cared too much for glocks...maybe the crazy grip angle or something...plus I have never put out a rap album soooo
I'm an HK guy for sure. However, my buddy has an XD9 that I love. I find it very accurate and great to shoot. I could definitely recommend one.
Don't go cheap if you can help it. You get what you pay for. I paid a lot for quality, reliability, shootability (unique to each shooter) ergonomics, after market support, etc.
Don't go cheap if you can help it. You get what you pay for. I paid a lot for quality, reliability, shootability (unique to each shooter) ergonomics, after market support, etc.
Pro-2X
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- Rockmart, GA
I definitely like a hammer and de-cocker.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
Ditto, but, the only thing with both in the price range I was willing spend was either a baby eagle or a CZ P-07, and, I didn't feel like going to a CZ since it's originally a 1911 style frame that was modified, and I don't like 1911's, and, the baby eagle, well, my FFL guy wasn't really keen on em, so, I didn't go there...
Pro-2X
Suspension Lift
- Location
- Rockmart, GA
Baby eagle isn't worth it.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
See, I keep hearing mixed reviews...seems like everyone agrees the polymer framed ones are crap, the all metal ones were "decent" but, nothing that stood out from the crowd it seems....
Kyle
Wheeling
- Location
- Chesapeake, VA
I'll have to shop around. I want something fairly small but still strong enough to pack a punch. Price tag is an issue. Although I don't even need to worry about it until January. On January I move off base. Can't have weapons while living on base.
HK..
Bought an X
- Location
- Cincinnati ohio
You sir are correct. I got a awsome deal on a Mega billet upper so now using it instead of doing a Faxon ARAK 21. I guess I'll get me a ARAK after at the end of the year lol
- Location
- Smyrna, TN
I traded my XD for my M&P and couldn't be happier. I didn't hate the XD, but for my paw, the M&P had better ergonomics.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
Which caliber do you run? 9mm?
Thinking of getting another large frame, thinking either Beretta 92 or Taurus PT-92 (same gun, different name on it, think mags are even swappable)
My thought process is, the military uses the m9 still, and, honestly, I liked the feel of em, if "SHTF" then I'd have an easy source of ammo and magazines
What do ya'll think? Beretta or Taurus? Beretta has a bad taste in my mouth because of a scar I got from an idiot playing around with an M9 and me being in line of fire during a negligent discharge. Taurus...well, it's Taurus. On the up side? Taurus has a lifetime warranty...(may need it though)
- Location
- Smyrna, TN
Yep, XD9 for M&P9.
I've done my homework on calibers, and really, the +p HD loads of today are NOT the same as the standard JHP of yesteryear. Plus I can carry more ammo and hopefully out-shoot my opponent.
I'd rather have more rounds available than bigger rounds. Let's face it, the caliber really doesn't matter so much as shot placement, and I can shoot a HELL of a lot better with 9mm than I can .40 or .45...the only other round that comes close to that accuracy for me is .357, but I just don't like the round.
Go with Beretta. Taurus versions of the 92 series is junk, at least that's what I've heard.
I've done my homework on calibers, and really, the +p HD loads of today are NOT the same as the standard JHP of yesteryear. Plus I can carry more ammo and hopefully out-shoot my opponent.
I'd rather have more rounds available than bigger rounds. Let's face it, the caliber really doesn't matter so much as shot placement, and I can shoot a HELL of a lot better with 9mm than I can .40 or .45...the only other round that comes close to that accuracy for me is .357, but I just don't like the round.
Go with Beretta. Taurus versions of the 92 series is junk, at least that's what I've heard.
- Location
- Denver Adjacent
.357 Sig is a fun round to shoot, but I wouldn't use it as a defensive round. I like my .40 S&W though.
- Location
- Smyrna, TN
Believe it or not, Tennessee Highway Patrol issues .357sig Glocks. They're the only department I know that uses that round. Everyone else uses either 9mm or .40
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
Texas dps (state troopers) use .357SIG too, as my buddy put it, power and penetration to go through 2 car doors and still kill the person on the other side...
- Location
- Denver Adjacent
That's actually kind of scary. And the reason that I refuse to carry it. If I have to shoot someone I want that round to stay where it lands.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
It does...no worries, I'm 99% positive he was exaggerating, or, they use some nasty ammo that I've never seen tested in ballistic gel....
- Location
- Denver Adjacent
I've heard too many stories about .357SIG's going through things they are not supposed to.
- Location
- S.Subs of Chicago, IL.
Get a 45... absolutely will stop what it hits or tear it up trying.
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- Smyrna, TN
No, sir, it won't...
[video=youtube_share;_1Pj1-Iw-X8]http://youtu.be/_1Pj1-Iw-X8[/video]
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- S.Subs of Chicago, IL.
Gonna have to question this in general. While a .45 does have the ability to go completely through at 10ft it also depends on the projectile type. I find it hard to believe he would still have a jaw much less still be alive after being hit that many times with a hollow point. But that's just my opinion.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
Old myth.
There are some badass 9mm rounds, .357SIG, and almost every .40 round that outperform .45acp.
.45 is just a big heavy, slow moving slug.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
Here's a ballistic comparison. The darker the color the more permanent the wound channel.
- Location
- S.Subs of Chicago, IL.
I guess it depends on the person. The cops I talk to here would rather not have a 9mm but a 40 or 45. They say the 9 tends to go thru without stopping (the bad guy). The larger projectile tends to knock down with less rounds used. I myself don't actually know, I prefer not to shoot people unless they try to eat my cheese cake.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
- Location
- Denver Adjacent
A lot of depts around here are required to carry FMJ rounds and not allowed to carry JHPs.
HK..
Bought an X
- Location
- Cincinnati ohio
Mega upper, spikes m16 bolt, spike m4 LE barrel and stock showed up.
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- Location
- Huntsville, AL
If you put into math terms, the larger .45cal bullet will transfer more force into the target (assuming the same type of round is used int he .40). However, the difference is somewhat minimal. Refer to ballistics.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
Physics argues that point though. The added velocity of the .40 ramps up its force transferred to more than a .45 provided we're comparing apples to apples and not standard ammo to +p ammo...
jmnielsen
Need Bigger Tires
- Location
- Lincoln, NE
It's not as simple as higher velocity making it transfer more energy. A .40 is also pushing a smaller/lighter bullet faster. To truly compare apples to apples you would need to shoot a 45 and a 40 with the same weight and type of bullet. However I feel the 9mm vs 40 vs 45 argument is rather moot when you consider the modern ammunition. All of those calibers are capable of 500+ ft lbs of energy at the muzzle.
Here is a good article for those interested.
http://www.thebangswitch.com/the-fading-40/
**** Also note the pistols that highly qualified instructors recommend, 11 of 13 are Glocks.****
Here is a good article for those interested.
http://www.thebangswitch.com/the-fading-40/
**** Also note the pistols that highly qualified instructors recommend, 11 of 13 are Glocks.****
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
*shudder* glock....
ok, assuming uniform expansion, identically.
off the shelf ammo, no hand loads, no +P or +P+ ammo, normal grain weights and powder loads that ANY firearm could safely fire.
9mm 124gr @ 1181fps
9mm 147gr @ 1032fps
.40 165gr @ 1076fps
.40 180gr @ 995fps
.45ACP 230gr @ 875fps
this is the list from the ballistic comparison test that I've seen done plenty.
this one ALSO, uses a standard JHP, all from the same manufacturer.
if you look at the tests, the .40 180gr and 9mm 147gr penetrate the deepest, with the 9mm penetrating farther.
the .45 and 165gr .40 have the biggest damage cavities, the difference is, the .45 is all "shock" cavity, or "temporary wound channel" aka "the bullet went in, the force transferred throughout and it made a nasty shockwave when it expanded, tore things, stretched things, but, it all went back to the same after the bullet passed." whereas the "temporary channel" was smaller with the .40, but, nearly the entire wound channel is **PERMANENT** on it. it came in hot, it hit like a punch from Mike "F****ng" Tyson, and upon expansion, it liquefied the whole area that had been "temporary wound channel" in every other caliber. There was a hole the size of a gun mag, that was a permanent cavity.
Now, you can get into the cock-waiving contest of "oh well you can get +P+ 9mm ammo that has as much force as a .40 or a .45!" but, it still comes back to "yep, and there's no replacement for displacement" aka "anything you can do, I can do to, and I still do it better" from the larger calibers. Take that .40 in a +P+ configuration and watch how ugly that wound channel becomes...same for .45.
I don't dispute that .45 is a very viable round, and very effective, as it has proven itself time and time again in the military. However, for practicality, a .40 is as good, or better (with the same off the shelf grade ammo) and it holds a few more rounds, so, for me, personally, I choose .40. If you choose .45, good for you, I'm glad you like it, the same for the 10mm guys, if I could get a 10mm in something that I liked as far as a frame, and the ammo weren't so excruciatingly expensive, I'd totally own one. I love hand cannons, and, the bigger the better.
also, jmnielsen, good article, better if they hadn't used glocks. (HATE GLOCKS!)
y'know, I kinda agree with one of the comments on the article though. Those "professional shooters" are sponsored by gun and ammo companies, and, whatever they want pushed, it's the job of the sponsored individual to help push those products via endorsement. so, just because a bunch of sponsored shooters say that "police departments are leaving the .40 because it costs too much, has too much recoil, and isn't as accurate when compared to the 9mm" that's like a Jeep guy saying "xterras suck because nobody in the jeep clubs buy them"
most law enforcement agencies around HERE (amarillo, tx) are using .40 or .357SIG, all of the people that do any firearms instruction around here will tell you that the gun that you can shoot accurately to the point of surgical precision is the one you should own, if you can't become surgically precise with a firearm, you have no business owning it, as you are demonstrating your own lack of accuracy and control.
ok, assuming uniform expansion, identically.
off the shelf ammo, no hand loads, no +P or +P+ ammo, normal grain weights and powder loads that ANY firearm could safely fire.
9mm 124gr @ 1181fps
9mm 147gr @ 1032fps
.40 165gr @ 1076fps
.40 180gr @ 995fps
.45ACP 230gr @ 875fps
this is the list from the ballistic comparison test that I've seen done plenty.
this one ALSO, uses a standard JHP, all from the same manufacturer.
if you look at the tests, the .40 180gr and 9mm 147gr penetrate the deepest, with the 9mm penetrating farther.
the .45 and 165gr .40 have the biggest damage cavities, the difference is, the .45 is all "shock" cavity, or "temporary wound channel" aka "the bullet went in, the force transferred throughout and it made a nasty shockwave when it expanded, tore things, stretched things, but, it all went back to the same after the bullet passed." whereas the "temporary channel" was smaller with the .40, but, nearly the entire wound channel is **PERMANENT** on it. it came in hot, it hit like a punch from Mike "F****ng" Tyson, and upon expansion, it liquefied the whole area that had been "temporary wound channel" in every other caliber. There was a hole the size of a gun mag, that was a permanent cavity.
Now, you can get into the cock-waiving contest of "oh well you can get +P+ 9mm ammo that has as much force as a .40 or a .45!" but, it still comes back to "yep, and there's no replacement for displacement" aka "anything you can do, I can do to, and I still do it better" from the larger calibers. Take that .40 in a +P+ configuration and watch how ugly that wound channel becomes...same for .45.
I don't dispute that .45 is a very viable round, and very effective, as it has proven itself time and time again in the military. However, for practicality, a .40 is as good, or better (with the same off the shelf grade ammo) and it holds a few more rounds, so, for me, personally, I choose .40. If you choose .45, good for you, I'm glad you like it, the same for the 10mm guys, if I could get a 10mm in something that I liked as far as a frame, and the ammo weren't so excruciatingly expensive, I'd totally own one. I love hand cannons, and, the bigger the better.
also, jmnielsen, good article, better if they hadn't used glocks. (HATE GLOCKS!)
y'know, I kinda agree with one of the comments on the article though. Those "professional shooters" are sponsored by gun and ammo companies, and, whatever they want pushed, it's the job of the sponsored individual to help push those products via endorsement. so, just because a bunch of sponsored shooters say that "police departments are leaving the .40 because it costs too much, has too much recoil, and isn't as accurate when compared to the 9mm" that's like a Jeep guy saying "xterras suck because nobody in the jeep clubs buy them"
most law enforcement agencies around HERE (amarillo, tx) are using .40 or .357SIG, all of the people that do any firearms instruction around here will tell you that the gun that you can shoot accurately to the point of surgical precision is the one you should own, if you can't become surgically precise with a firearm, you have no business owning it, as you are demonstrating your own lack of accuracy and control.
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- Smyrna, TN
We are issued M&P40 at work, along with Speer Gold Dot 165gr. I carried a .40 for a good 3 years before dropping back to 9mm, and I feel more confident now with my 9 than I do my issued 40. I've put just as many rounds through my duty gun as I have my personal gun.
Personally, I'm going to pick accuracy/capacity>size, every time. He who has the most ammunition wins almost every time. When people get shot, they don't fall down immediately, unless you get lucky and hit the spine or pelvic bone. They stand there and continue the fight. They don't even feel it until after the adrenaline wears off. So yeah, I'll take my 17+1 over 7+1 (.45) and 15+1 (work .40) any day.
Personally, I'm going to pick accuracy/capacity>size, every time. He who has the most ammunition wins almost every time. When people get shot, they don't fall down immediately, unless you get lucky and hit the spine or pelvic bone. They stand there and continue the fight. They don't even feel it until after the adrenaline wears off. So yeah, I'll take my 17+1 over 7+1 (.45) and 15+1 (work .40) any day.