CB Radio and Ham Radio

Kyle Jun 15, 2013

  1. TerryD

    TerryD Total Tease Supporting Member

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    I got into CBs in college, setting them up for friends in the club. As I got more interested, I needed equipment. My great uncle was a ham and Mom said I should go see him. He made fun of me for playing with CBs but gave me a SWR meter he and my grandpa had bought together in the 70s.

    Anyways, it was after I got out of college that I got my Tech ticket, although I never did get to talk to my great uncle on the radio. I still really regret that. But, I'm pretty well invested in it now and really enjoy what all it has to offer that I've managed to be involved in.
     
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  2. meisanerd

    meisanerd Bought an X

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    I keep thinking I need to go get my license, but realize that its another hobby that is just going to be a money sink at this point. Why do all my interests have to cost...

    If you have any specific questions, I play with Linux all the time. And by play, I mean manage a bunch of Linux servers at work and home, and run Linux on a few of my desktops...
     
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  3. TerryD

    TerryD Total Tease Supporting Member

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    I appreciate the offer! I've got to learn enough so I know what to ask though.

    I am not a computer person. I've never built one, I've never set one up from scratch or had to deal with terminal/ command line use beyond getting an old copy of the Lemmings game working on my W7 lap top a few years ago.

    I'm completely out of my depth but I'm trying to figure some of it out.

    There's lots of "type this" "how-tos" but I want to better understand WHY I need to type that rather than just click install like on windows.

    I've wanted to better know for a while but never had a good enough reason. I'm happy with how windows works, or at least happy enough to not want to move on so until I had this Rpi setup, I didn't pursue it.
     
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  4. CHUG

    CHUG Wheeling Supporting Member

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    For cost of Testing.. and your in the age of CHINA Makes Dam near everything for CHEAP. With Bofung radios costing about $30 bucks, Plus Cheap Bofung Antenna $15 bucks. Would be enough to talk to folks using a Repeater 60 miles With ease, and if they are linked couple hundred miles.
    OR Just Simplex. Line of sight. 7 to 20 miles Depends on Geographic location. ( City Noise, or Mountain Valley's Etc ).

    Thar is always a OLD Fart Geezer with his Feet up and Radio scanning.. alway's waiting for Radio to speak.. A good thing when yea need help.
     
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  5. CHUG

    CHUG Wheeling Supporting Member

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    Just did a Quick amazon search.. for radio..
    This is 1 watt to 3.4ish watts ( Real world). Cost is cheap.. Vs many years ago, having to buy a $400 Hand held and it only did basic.

    with the cost of this, getting into Ham was cheap!.
    https://www.amazon.com/BaoFeng-UV-5...child=1&keywords=bofeng&qid=1602033618&sr=8-5

    ( Yes.. I might have At one point in time had 10 of these.. Currently down to 6 Bofengs, Plus, a Yasue & Alinco) NOTE the Yasue is Junk!!!. Its now my official Kayaking Rescue Radio. IF I roll.. Oh shucks!. if it drowns.. ;-)
     
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  6. TerryD

    TerryD Total Tease Supporting Member

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    I like my Yaesu FT-60R. It's kinda basic but it's a tank.

    I WANT a Kenwood TH-D74A. But I want to eat this month slightly more....
     
  7. CHUG

    CHUG Wheeling Supporting Member

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    The FT1XD Yaesu.. is the one Few of us bought, for a Better quality HT.. we did our best to learn it.. and it was just too Crappy..

    Both of our Radio Battery or No battery.. shelf life is 7 day's D.O.A. Regardless how I have it stored. Not one to take camping.
    Alinco.. 2 months easy.. just sitting on shelf with battery attached.

    reason I turned it to a Rescue Ham Coast Guard hailing Radio. Charge before playing on the water.. It's rated for water.. But not floating.

    More toy's.. must have more... But Cash.. must have more cash!.. never ends.
     
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  8. TerryD

    TerryD Total Tease Supporting Member

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    Ahhh. My FT-60R rides on my backpack. I probably top off the charge once a month, usually before a trip or outing. It holds charge great, but it's a Yaesu so it has their menu driven programming difficulties. Not bad though. I have the nifty card for it.

    With the mic and 12V charging cord, it makes a neat EDC type of radio. If we had a repeater closer, I'd carry my IC-Q7 Icom. Runs on AA batteries and with a 0.35W output, it'll really scream! LOL It's actually my hamfesting radio. Rides on the shoulder strap of my small pack and doesn't cook my eyeballs with the stubby soft antenna. Plus I don't have to be concerned about charging. Just keep a spare pair of AAs in the pack.
     
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  9. CHUG

    CHUG Wheeling Supporting Member

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    I have bofung stuffed under the Rear seat. PERFECT storage.. It's fully charged, with long 17" antenna. I check charge on it once a year.. holding charge on year 2.
    It's my Ditch radio.. I keep it fully updated with Repeaters, and simplex freq. with the same Radio programming as the X Mobile Radio. a back up, and or emergency Comm's with other Rig Or event.. Plus keeping a Roll up J-Pole with 50 feet of 550 Cord. Have lots of tree's.. for Gaining elevation. Antenna makes the radio!! applies...

    eh its a sickness we have.. Radio's for all needs..
     
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  10. meisanerd

    meisanerd Bought an X

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    I mean, yes, and no. Because I'm not the type to just be like "here's $30 for a radio, I'm good to go". There's always the "oooh, shiny...". And then I get into the whole tinkering stuff, and invariably break something, and have to replace it...

    I might not do that much tinkering with the X as Im not as mechanically inclined, but give me computers or electronics, and things can go downhill very quickly...

    Also, life has kept me on the beaten path for the past couple years, so I haven't had as much of a need for one. Once I do finally get this thing built up the way I want, HAM becomes a lot more likely for rescue situations.
     
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  11. TerryD

    TerryD Total Tease Supporting Member

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    God, I hate Linux....

    2 hours I spent following a guide to install a program on the version of Raspbian I'm running. First was an update/upgrade that took 30+ min. More on that later.

    Then a bunch of the "type this" instructions just flat ass wouldn't work. So abandon and try another way. That failed too and I got a bunch more errors.

    So heck with it, let's just start back where we were and we'll deal with it later. Nope! Upgrade wrecked the file manager so I can't access the file I need to edit it to get the damn original program functional again. Fix that with full-upgrade (after reading a bunch of linked threads on different sites I couldn't retrace if I had to) and another 10 min for that to complete. Then the upgrade had bumped my sound card from Card1 to Card2 so my conf was off. Had to edit it.

    So, I'm frustrated, and exactly back where I started for 2 hours worth of effort.

    Maybe I need to just go back to semaphore...
     
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  12. CHUG

    CHUG Wheeling Supporting Member

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    Dang.. what a Pain. I would be tossing unit in the air.. followed up with a .12 Gauge #4 shot..

    I Like simplex.. No need for internet, cell technology.. Towers.. Those are the weak link.

    The wildland fires we had.. Before hand everyone preaching Repeaters will with stand Quakes and are tough. No need for Learning Simplex E-COMM's.
    till fire hit!! All them Repeaters went off line or burned up.. Talk about lack of comm's and people not knowing how to type in the Freq, for simple simplex.

    Bunch of us, that mainly Use Simplex for our comm's. Were laughing. As when Net time arrived. we had zero issues.. With people Asking how did we do that?. haha.

    Technology is nice.. BUT must have Chimp Simple method to make it work. otherwise, it becomes Issues when it fails or Kinks up... If a non-computer user can make it work!. you have a good system.
    I HATE COMPUTERS!!!..
     
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  13. TerryD

    TerryD Total Tease Supporting Member

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    I'm a big proponent of KNOW YOUR GEAR. I would be embarrassed to not be able to enter a repeater into my radios by hand or set a simplex frequency. The number of folks who can't is staggering...

    We were doing a simplex net once a month in our club and 6m nets after the ARES repeater meets but that's died of. Several reasons I won't discuss here. I enjoyed them and it gave me the chance to play with simplex around the county when I was free to roam.

    We've had several scenarios in which we've had to fall back on simplex and relay style check-ins from outliers. Our club repeater has battery power but no solar setup (stolen) so when power is down, only announcements are made on it should it be needed for wide area coverage. In that case, the net is announced and QSY to the local 2m simplex frequency.

    APRS has interested me for a while and the further I dig in, the more useful it seems for area wide awareness and tactical information. I wish others locally would take a little more interest, but it'll be available when I can get this setup going.
     
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  14. CHUG

    CHUG Wheeling Supporting Member

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    We tend to have issues with no net, or repeater not working.. we told folks back up freq when repeater goes down.. to QSY automatically.. to simplex.
    that is just too stink-in easy.. and fails every time.

    Really good reason to know your gear!!!. helps allot.
     
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  15. meisanerd

    meisanerd Bought an X

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    It helps if you have a brain. And do like Terry is trying to do, not just mindlessly following commands, but actually taking the time to understand what the command does. And a lot comes down to your purpose in doing things.

    For this, the question is, "do you just want to randomly talk to people far away periodically", or "are you doing this for emergency purposes". If the former, having someone program your gear for you and just telling you what buttons to press works. And don't complain if it doesn't due to some external influence (emergency situation, repeater failure, etc). For the latter, you better know how your gear works, or just stay offline.

    And thats not to say you need to know everything before you get into it. But what is your attitude towards it, and are you willing to try to learn. Things will get frustrating and not work, but thats all part of the adventure we call life.

    As said, if you need advice, hit me up. Part of the problem with some of this Linux stuff is that they have changed how things work between versions, sometimes in a way that isn't exactly backwards-compatible. And there is a lot of stupidity in some of the developer community that isn't helping, certain factions seem to like to change the way things work because they are bored, and unwilling to understand the history of why things were done a certain way. And things can snowball quickly if you don't fix the initial errors before attempting to continue.
     
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  16. CHUG

    CHUG Wheeling Supporting Member

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    From Space: https://www.spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=06&month=10&year=2020

    Would be nice to Dial in with the Long wire, for Mars Rover Freq. Doubt my 140' Horizontal Antenna will work. Does pick up the China Over the Horizon Radar. As with Japan's Radio stations annoying!
    Nice thing about HF, lots of More Freq to dial in. With sticky Notes, when yea find the working Freq's. Tried the Water fall to locate Active Freq. Helps When the Band conditions are iffy. With NVIS, Can Talk 7 miles away, 19 miles away the Wave changes.. and can't talk to station but 30 miles-500 easy. Odd critters when NVIS is added to the mix.

    Best part of Ham.. Learning the trick's. and Take notes!!!. Before winter Sets in, will run another Long wire East to West. For Winter Propagation testing.

    Never ends. Someday, will add Vertical Tower With Beam (Maybe)
     
  17. CHUG

    CHUG Wheeling Supporting Member

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    For Boefungs.. Radio info. Lots and lots of good info in this site. For someone wanting to Learn the way's of the Ham Jedi!. A cheap means to start with.

    Vs buying a $500 hand held. and Never to use it again. $25 is cheap.

    For the Already Ham's of the Dark side. Has a nice section for making 2m Antenna's at home. Step by step spec's. ( Just watch your Watt levels.. Or might cook antenna. )

    enjoy:
    https://www.miklor.com/
     
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  18. CHUG

    CHUG Wheeling Supporting Member

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    Space station now has active Repeater for us folks stuck on the Round Ball earth. 5 watts ducky antenna to hit repeater.. that should be fun, from camp.

    heck, will toss in my Arrow Yagi, Fire off 50 watts and Ping who ever is in the 5,000 range.. OOP's better confirm my arrow wattage limit. Do not want glowing radiation. ;-)


    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_pkPGiU3R4&feature=emb_logo


    article: https://swling.com/blog/2020/09/the-international-space-station-now-has-an-accessible-fm-repeater/

    One for TerryD: https://www.kj7nzl.net/blog/sending-sms-messages-through-iss/

    Need SATCubes, and make them Floating Repeaters... for us to play with..
     
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