A friendly attempt...

[TKDx00]

Trying to create a group of Xer's in the general MIDWEST area that are willing to come together on this site and form a wheeling organization.

Lets be honest here...
We are spreading ourselves out over different sites based on GENs. Can we have just 1 site that splits off based on REGION rather than creating new sites and taking people away? I like what the SEXTERRA group has done, but has kept it within the XN framework. Can we start a MWXTERRA? I'd like to go wheeling but there seems to be a VAST division not only in age, Gen but in sites as well.

So how bout it? Can a few people make a commitment or am I alone? And no hard feeling if I am.

Letting this stew for a few...Check later.

 

[granitex]

if I were closer I would be down for it, we need to plan something for badlands, or haspin this summer.

 

[TKDx00]

if I were closer I would be down for it, we need to plan something for badlands, or haspin this summer.

I'm IN!!! I'll take vacation if need be. Never been to the Badlands.

 

[xterror04]

Im am from the midwest, and have tried coming up with cleaver names like sexterra, for the midwest region, I mean overall there are alot of xers in the midwest states, You guys do need a solid x club. When ever you guys do a run ill make the drive,

 

[RacerXXL]

Im am from the midwest, and have tried coming up with cleaver names like sexterra, for the midwest region, I mean overall there are alot of xers in the midwest states, You guys do need a solid x club. When ever you guys do a run ill make the drive,

Midwest Area Xterra = MAXterra

 

[drbandkgb]

Isnt there the GLAX = Great Lakes Xterra club?

 

[TKDx00]

Isnt there the GLAX = Great Lakes Xterra club?

Yes, however they have chosen to hang out on theXterra site. Which is designed and promoted for the GEN2 X. Maybe because most if not all are GEN2s. And that's fine I have no complaint about that, but I'm a GEN1 and the one time I did hang out with them, I felt a little out of place due to the age difference, granted that might be just my thinking. There is a sister site first.thexterra for the GEN1's but is pretty much inactive. XN, ClubX are the only 2 sites (that I know of) dedicated to ALL GENs.

What made me post this was I saw the Windy City Jeep Club the other day. They had ALL year/model/colors of jeeps posted and driving around as 1 group. I was impressed and thought why can't the Xterra's do that.

If a group (any group) wants to be by themselves...they have that right and I'll support them to have it. Just trying to pull together a group that wants to interact for fun wheeling/camping/mods ect... and not be based on what GEN you have, color or what age you are.

To coin a phrase... "I have a dream..." - MLK August 28, 1963

 

[TKDx00]

Im am from the midwest, and have tried coming up with cleaver names like sexterra, for the midwest region, I mean overall there are alot of xers in the midwest states, You guys do need a solid x club. When ever you guys do a run ill make the drive,

Thanks Man much appreciated. I'll keep you and the site informed one way or another.

 

[Ricel]

Up here in the NE we've got the NeXterra.org, it's all gens and even some outside drivers. The prez is a 4runner. It's a lot slower than the other two major sites, but it keeps us up to date with the locals. Not that hard to start one up. Just takes a little website development knowledge and your good to go!

 

[xterror04]

Midwest Area Xterra = MAXterra

I like it!

 

[TKDx00]

Just takes a little website development knowledge and your good to go!

I have a cousin that does website dev. for a living. Actually won an award for it. Think I'll be making a phone call.

I was looking at it wrong... I saw MA Xterra (as in Mass. Xterra) instead of MAX terra...I like it too!!!

 

[Macland]

What age difference are you talking about? I know I've seen a little less people in their teens on that site but I know that the age range is EASILY 18 to 60+, but I'm not disagreeing with you on the cross generational X's part though.

The great thing I've already noticed about XN is people with first gens and second gens are already mingling in a completely different way. I actually LIKE the fact that we don't have our year model listed with our info on the left because it causes people to research every persons rig and learn a little about all Xterras.

 

[TKDx00]

The great thing I've already noticed about XN is people with first gens and second gens are already mingling in a completely different way. I actually LIKE the fact that we don't have our year model listed with our info on the left because it causes people to research every persons rig and learn a little about all Xterras.

One of the reasons I posted this. XN seems to be a bit more X-GEN (cross Generation) that and I've been having problems on the CX site w/ locking up and long resonce times.

OOOPS guess I need to remove the yr from my sig. lol

 

[Macland]

One of the reasons I posted this. XN seems to be a bit more X-GEN (cross Generation) that and I've been having problems on the CX site w/ locking up and long resonce times.

OOOPS guess I need to remove the yr from my sig. lol

I wouldn't worry about removing your year model from your sig. I think it's helpful in a lot of instances too, especially when you're asking for advice or whenever you have a break down.

 

[Diadaga]

The great thing I've already noticed about XN is people with first gens and second gens are already mingling in a completely different way. I actually LIKE the fact that we don't have our year model listed with our info on the left because it causes people to research every persons rig and learn a little about all Xterras.

Being one of the newer guys since I wasn't to active on CX I will say this is due in large part to the group that started and runs XN. When I jumped over to here I was seeing alot of helpful posts from most of the same people I was seeing on CX regardless of Gen.

 

[TKDx00]

In the description of this forum it lists all the states that are considered in the midwest area. I'd like to see if at least 2 people from each state would commit to become members of the MAXterra Club. MidWest Area Xterra Club. Our area has many places to wheel and camp. All we need is to come together and do it. If commiting is an iffy thing at the moment, then at least show the interest, so this can get off the ground.

I'm commited already and have started the ball rolling with a decal design from Creepy and contacted a web designer for help. Sorry to those that did this site and decals I got carried away in the moment and didn't think to ask here first.

All WE need is a showing of hands at this point.

 

[NOXIOUS007]

I very much like this idea. I'm not sure if we hoosiers are in the SEXterra group or the MAXterra group, but I would gladly display both decals on the trusty steed.

 

[Macland]

Indiana is included in the Midwest section here.

 

[TKDx00]

Midwest Area - Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Missouri, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Minnesota, Iowa

 

[Diadaga]

I'll probably end up rocking both MAXterra and seXTERRA since I'm gonna be in Missouri for school.

 

[drbandkgb]

Thats a large area.. Im down for a club forum for you guys when you want it...

 

[drbandkgb]

maXTERRA
Mid america Xterra​

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[drbandkgb]

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[TKDx00]

I gave Creepy a design for the "MAX" and "terra". However I actually like 'Mid America' better then 'Midwest Area'. I've always wanted to put 'Midwest' as 'Mid West' and didn't agree with the term 'West' being there it's not the west. OK... Mid America it is!!!

 

[BlckHwk13]

We already have a group for us locals called GLX. Great Lakes Xterras.

I would be down for creating one place for our members but don't change the name because it'll just be confusing to a lot of people. AND there is a "MaxTerra" bumper. I don't want to take his name.

 

[TKDx00]

I understand. However here are a few problem that exist.

By calling the group GLX (Great Lakes Xterra) you've excluded those states in Mid America that are not around the Great Lakes. This limits the social group size. Which is fine for a group that wants to remain local, which you seem to be. However, Great Lakes Xterra points to thenewx site which is designed and maintained for GEN2 X's, which is fine if you own a GEN2, But, if you're not a GEN2, you have to click a link to go to another site. A site that has pretty much died. If I'm wrong, then I do apologize.

So where do we stand? Mid America has no cohesion except for 1 group in the NW corner of 1 state. Please don't get me wrong or misunderstand the purpose. GLX is fine for the purpose it serves, a select local group... more power to you.

However, MAXterra (Mid America Xterra Club) is being designed with the intension to bring a cohesive bond to the entire Midwest region as did seXterra, NEXTERRA, NWXTERRA. I hope no one finds fault with that. And if you do, PLEASE lets talk and work something out...something needs to be done, IMO.

 

[BlckHwk13]

TBH I think the numbers of states designated as "midwest" in Xterra Nation is just too much. I never hear from folks from the Dakotas, Kansas, Nebraska, or Minnesota because those states are just too far away for any sort of meets or wheeling together. That's why we created the Great Lakes, because usually the members that get together around here are the folks around the Great Lakes.

We welcome any generation to join our activities. Although most of us are 2nd gens, maybe we could do a better job of getting some 1st gens to participate. But also, being honest, I am aware that in the past we have tried reaching out to a lot of 1 gens and at the time the two generations just never were able to meet up for one reason or another.

 

[Macland]

TBH I think the numbers of states designated as "midwest" in Xterra Nation is just too much. I never hear from folks from the Dakotas, Kansas, Nebraska, or Minnesota because those states are just too far away for any sort of meets or wheeling together. That's why we created the Great Lakes, because usually the members that get together around here are the folks around the Great Lakes.

We welcome any generation to join our activities. Although most of us are 2nd gens, maybe we could do a better job of getting some 1st gens to participate. But also, being honest, I am aware that in the past we have tried reaching out to a lot of 1 gens and at the time the two generations just never were able to meet up for one reason or another.

I believe that the designation of midwest was given to the states it was given to was more of an organizational tool than a grouping tool, if you follow my train of thought there.

I'm meaning within the mid west there are regions like the great lakes.

 

[TKDx00]

TBH I think the numbers of states designated as "midwest" in Xterra Nation is just too much. I never hear from folks from the Dakotas, Kansas, Nebraska, or Minnesota because those states are just too far away for any sort of meets or wheeling together. That's why we created the Great Lakes, because usually the members that get together around here are the folks around the Great Lakes.

Granted, this region is HUGE, However, on every map of the States I've looked at, this is what we are. Just because they are not heard from doesn't mean they should be excluded or they don't exist. EXCEPT ZOMBIES!!!

We welcome any generation to join our activities. Although most of us are 2nd gens, maybe we could do a better job of getting some 1st gens to participate. But also, being honest, I am aware that in the past we have tried reaching out to a lot of 1 gens and at the time the two generations just never were able to meet up for one reason or another.

Again, I understand, however just because something didn't work the first time, do you give up? Or do you try it another way with fresh eyes or outside help?

Listen, If I'm alone in this, it won't be the first time AND it won't be the last. Nothing beats a faulure but a try.

All I saying here is that there have been a series of events whether intentionally done or not that have lead to seperation. If it was purposeful fine there's always a way around a situation. BUT!!! if it was NOT intended then it needs to be corrected. I'm not a crusader... I just wanna go wheelin and have some fun and go to FOR NOW 1 or 2 sites to hook up with folks not bounce between many.

 

[BlckHwk13]

Ah ok. I understand where you're coming from Macland. I think TKD is taking is more literally by trying to combine all of the midwest together, when in reality it's just not feasible.

 

[BlckHwk13]

I'm not saying you're wrong. We've talked about getting more first gens together but either they aren't active members anymore or some just dont make it out to many of our events. It's hard enough getting the 2nd gens together all the time due to schedules I guess. Hell, one time I looked on clubx and saw like 4 1st gens just in the town next to me. But I have never seen them before, and I see they don't even log onto the forums anymore so I assume they got rid of their rig or something.

I'd be down to centralizing the group to one place so we can keep track of locals and such.

 

[TKDx00]

I understand you Mac, but Hwk what I trying to convey (poorly it would seem) is even though people might not respond in outter areas at first or ever... but they might. However if they are exclude AT THE BEGINNING, GUARENTEES they will never respond.

Right now besides XN, ExPo is the only site that have "sub sites" (for lack of a better way to phrase it) hanging off it. Everything is at least 1 click away. XN to me seems to be heading the same way. Create a REGIONAL site, then a STATE or LOCAL site ...ect ect ect...

 

[BlckHwk13]

OK.

 

[dhyde79]

Ah ok. I understand where you're coming from Macland. I think TKD is taking is more literally by trying to combine all of the midwest together, when in reality it's just not feasible.

I'm actually inclined to agree with this, I'm not from the area anymore (spent plenty of time in Kansas and in Iowa) but, I'm a firm believer that rig clubs should be *REGIONAL* but, your region should be restricted to places geographically **CLOSE**. close enough that if it's a weekend run per month, you don't have organize major events to get together. Our local jeep club has monthly meetings, and in doing so, they're fairly tight, can organize meetings, and address club matters fairly easily, and most importantly, it's all face to face. The internet is great, but, it has it's limitations, and getting context across in a heated debate is never a good thing.

If you want to do a large region club that has one meet a year that's cool, but, I always go back to "people with tight budgets" If you only set up the club so that people with plenty of disposable income can make events, that's fine, if you'd rather have a decent membership with plenty of people, keep it small (geographically), keep it tight knit, and invite everyone possible to join in the area. Make flyers, and make sure members have them on hand, if you see an X in a parkinglot, flyer it, spread the word of your club and you'll get good attendance. Setting up too widespread of a group becomes a geographical nightmare for attendance. Look at Texas for example...if you set up a Texas-wide group, you might get great membership, but event attendance would become a huge thing, since the state is so huge, for example, I could almost drive up to St. Louis as fast as I can drive down to Corpus Christi, or Moab, or Casper, WY.

I like the idea of doing a club to get EVERYONE together, I'm just throwing my 0.02Â¥ in for the biggest obstacle you're going to have to overcome.

 

[Diadaga]

Personally I agree with Mac, hyde, and Blck you have a good idea and good intentions but your area is just HUGE man. If you look at a map and compare it to the other groups like seXTERRA its not feasible. To give you a comparison I live in Tennessee and border all the states in sexterra so its only a few hours drive to make a run pretty much anywhere in the region. For what your proposing someone in North Dakota going to an Ohio meet would be like me going all the way to New York.

I don't have a good idea that guarantees success for a solution but I think it should be something along the lines of yes consider all the states the Mid West but then you guys actually break yourself into two sets an east and west. You guys would still be the Midwest but the guy in North Dakota could work on doing runs with closer guys compared to driving to Ohio. Plus you would still be open to make the meets between the two cause your still Midwest.

Again you got a good idea but the section of states your trying to work with is just too big your setting yourself up to fail before you even start.

 

[TKDx00]

People, I've seemed to have struck a nerve. Why is there such opposition to create something that everyone can use? Key word here is CAN not must.

The purpose behind the creation of MAXTERRA (MID AMERICA XTERRA) is being confused with local interests. MAXTERRA is NOT A LOCAL ORGANIZATION it was never meant to be one. It's intention is to create a REGIONAL representation. Other xxXTERRA clubs that have REGIONAL names ie: se, ne, nw ... just happen to be local clubs as well.

I'd understand if I as trying to create a local club to compete with an existing one. To this point that has not been the intention. There are reasons people have stayed away from GLX, the local club. I DON'T PERSONALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. However, it seems to me the general feeling is instead of uniting an area SOMEHOW, I should instead try to create another local club where folks feel more comfortable being members of. OK...so be it.

 

[drbandkgb]

Hey guys let's not beat up a member for wanting to try something. The way the states are laid out here in XN was a temp idea.. I needed to get the forum going and needed everyone to have a place..

I will agree with tdk.. Glx seems very regional in the name.. Even if he calls his mid America Xterra he can define the area he is looking to include. The way I set up seXTERRA was based on wheeling locations..
I even feel seXTERRA takes in too much area.. But it is what it is... If a member here wants to try his or her hand at starting a club and they are spending their time and money to do it.. So be it.. Takes balls to start up these things.. XN will back any club that needs us


Sent from the satellite of love..

 

[Diadaga]

I don't think anyone was trying to beat him up. I know I was just trying to help him realize he might have bigger goals then could actually come to fruition from his effort.

 

[BlckHwk13]

Ditto. Wasn't trying to attack anyone. I think some of the ideas got misconstrued.

If anyone has the time, energy, and know-how on getting another domain or branch just for Xterras in the Midwest (like Midwestern4x4 and GreatLakes4x4)- more power to you.

 

[dhyde79]

Hey guys let's not beat up a member for wanting to try something.
I will agree with tdk.. Glx seems very regional in the name.. Even if he calls his mid America Xterra he can define the area he is looking to include. The way I set up seXTERRA was based on wheeling locations..
I even feel seXTERRA takes in too much area.. But it is what it is... If a member here wants to try his or her hand at starting a club and they are spending their time and money to do it.. So be it.. Takes balls to start up these things..

agreed, I wasn't trying to beat up on him for the idea and desire, I was merely voicing my opinion, pointing out that setting up a club that was trying to cover the whole of the midwest was a bit too spread out.

honestly, I'd say the best way to do clubs is to find something like a cellphone company's structure map.
with my carrier, it's like so:
District->Region->Area

obviously having clubs that cover each level isn't a bad thing, but, it's important to remember that the larger the level, the less events it'll have, but, the events should be much larger.

If you do go forward with the idea, obviously good luck, and I wish ya nothing but the best.