Hefty Fabworks bumpers

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ryandavenport

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Macland said:
Here's my two cents. If you're going to get an aftermarket bumper and you go with one that requires the removal of the stock bumper and a lot of plastic cutting, what's a little more cutting IF you're going to take the next step and add a winch? My grill is still intact. But at the moment I've got no plans for a winch. What's the difference in cutting?
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I agree with this statement. Sometimes you have to give to get. We all give up better gas mileage for better off road prowess. Some of us give up cargo space for tools. Some of us give up maintenance costs with being rough on our trucks. If i had an 09 or up, I wouldnt mind cutting the grill for a winch. There are plenty of things that you can do to make it look good. He just catered to the pre-09 rigs, which are better anyways haha.
 
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Just my two cents: I don't have a problem with a little trimming for better aproach angles and a more contoured look. Hell I took a sledge hammer to my front fender already and trimmed the plastics on the front bumper and front fender plastic trim behind the front tire.
 
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ryandavenport said:
This is the picture that does it for me

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This will be the front bumper of choice for me pending a true torture test. I want to see this thing being used to bump up over obstacles and winch a fully armored rig before I can commit the required funds. That said, this is hands down the sexiest bumper I have ever seen for the X.
 
dhyde79

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ok, I've been looking at it, and here's my thoughts:
  • LIKES
  • Looks (minus the recovery points, just not too keen on that part)
  • Improved mounts, doesn't look like I can catch the mount/frame on a rock like the first version did.
  • Curved to fit the lines of the X

and then...
  • DO NOT LIKES
  • Cost, but, that's pretty standard, so, I won't complain
  • Recovery Points...they just look like if I'm not pulling straight, if there's any side angle, I'll tear em up or at minimum tweak em badly, perhaps reinforce them on both sides of the uprights with an extra piece outside of the plating?
  • Winch Access: I have 2 MAJOR gripes here. 1. NOBODY makes a bumper that supports an integrated solenoid, or even better, something like the Warn Powerplant... 2. if you're building it as a winch bumper, why's the slot on the top look like another spot to put a fairlead instead of a spot to put your hand through and engage/disengage the winch's clutch?
  • The big "holes" at the bottom, beside the HF logo...they look like they're big enough to get a decent sized branch through, potentially allowing some nasty damage caused by something going through there. No, I don't plan on that happening, but, as Macguyvermedic said, if I'm going to a steel bumper, it's because I'm trying to make the vehicle tougher, and that doesn't help anything. if they were small slots (for airflow) I wouldn't mind, but, big holes I do...

All in all I like the redesign, and it's a pretty bumper, just, as it sits, still not for me.
 
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My only question about the hefty bumpers is why is there a break in the years. I noticed the competitor says their bumper fits 05 to 12. Is this because the hefty ones follow the contours more closely?
 
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dhyde79 said:
ok, I've been looking at it, and here's my thoughts:
  • LIKES
  • Looks (minus the recovery points, just not too keen on that part)
  • Improved mounts, doesn't look like I can catch the mount/frame on a rock like the first version did.
  • Curved to fit the lines of the X
and then...
  • DO NOT LIKES
  • Cost, but, that's pretty standard, so, I won't complain
  • Recovery Points...they just look like if I'm not pulling straight, if there's any side angle, I'll tear em up or at minimum tweak em badly, perhaps reinforce them on both sides of the uprights with an extra piece outside of the plating?
  • Winch Access: I have 2 MAJOR gripes here. 1. NOBODY makes a bumper that supports an integrated solenoid, or even better, something like the Warn Powerplant... 2. if you're building it as a winch bumper, why's the slot on the top look like another spot to put a fairlead instead of a spot to put your hand through and engage/disengage the winch's clutch?
  • The big "holes" at the bottom, beside the HF logo...they look like they're big enough to get a decent sized branch through, potentially allowing some nasty damage caused by something going through there. No, I don't plan on that happening, but, as Macguyvermedic said, if I'm going to a steel bumper, it's because I'm trying to make the vehicle tougher, and that doesn't help anything. if they were small slots (for airflow) I wouldn't mind, but, big holes I do...
All in all I like the redesign, and it's a pretty bumper, just, as it sits, still not for me.
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I agree.. great look to it.. but those look weak.. not thick enough.. from what I can see... He could do what he does there and add some metal to it..
To me if you pulled from the side Id say it may bend.. But this is from not seeing it. Still one of the better designs out there
 
TN4x4Xterra

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dhyde79 said:
ok, I've been looking at it, and here's my thoughts:
  • LIKES
  • Looks (minus the recovery points, just not too keen on that part)
  • Improved mounts, doesn't look like I can catch the mount/frame on a rock like the first version did.
  • Curved to fit the lines of the X

and then...
  • DO NOT LIKES
  • Cost, but, that's pretty standard, so, I won't complain
  • Recovery Points...they just look like if I'm not pulling straight, if there's any side angle, I'll tear em up or at minimum tweak em badly, perhaps reinforce them on both sides of the uprights with an extra piece outside of the plating?
  • Winch Access: I have 2 MAJOR gripes here. 1. NOBODY makes a bumper that supports an integrated solenoid, or even better, something like the Warn Powerplant... 2. if you're building it as a winch bumper, why's the slot on the top look like another spot to put a fairlead instead of a spot to put your hand through and engage/disengage the winch's clutch?
  • The big "holes" at the bottom, beside the HF logo...they look like they're big enough to get a decent sized branch through, potentially allowing some nasty damage caused by something going through there. No, I don't plan on that happening, but, as Macguyvermedic said, if I'm going to a steel bumper, it's because I'm trying to make the vehicle tougher, and that doesn't help anything. if they were small slots (for airflow) I wouldn't mind, but, big holes I do...

All in all I like the redesign, and it's a pretty bumper, just, as it sits, still not for me.
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Actually, there is a bumper that will accommodate warn powerplant winch and that is calmini bumper. There's a 2nd gen guy running that setup tho.
 
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TN4x4Xterra said:
Actually, there is a bumper that will accommodate warn powerplant winch and that is calmini bumper. There's a 2nd gen guy running that setup tho.
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**shudder** calmini? ok fine, no DECENT bumper that accommodates winches like the powerplant....(better?)
 
TN4x4Xterra

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Originally Posted by TN4x4Xterra
Actually, there is a bumper that will accommodate warn powerplant winch and that is calmini bumper. There's a 2nd gen guy running that setup tho.
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**shudder** calmini? ok fine, no DECENT bumper that accommodates winches like the powerplant....(better?)
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Aside from the crappy customer service, what's wrong with calmini?


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ryandavenport

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There was no front recovery on them the last time that I checked. Also, its not very attractive.

Back on topic, anyone that is worried about the shackle mounts would benefit highly from a Strengths of Materials class. Looking weak and actually being weak are two separate things. Those shackle mounts are plenty strong for the removal of another vehicle, straight on and minor angles.

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drbandkgb

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What do you consider minor? Few deg? Metal still bends..
And in a recovery haul there is. I minor..

It's still better than what I have seen in arb.. I've bent the arb recovery points with a hammer
 
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ryandavenport

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drbandkgb said:
What do you consider minor? Few deg? Metal still bends..
And in a recovery haul there is. I minor..

It's still better than what I have seen in arb.. I've bent the arb recovery points with a hammer
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Minor being less than 45 degrees. Anything over 45 degrees is a lost cause anyways. Most people are unaware of the physical properties of metal, which causes them to assume that the metal will bend when it really won't. Hefty FabWorks bumpers recovery points are 3/8 in (according to the website) which given the approximate size of the mount, comes out to a little over 21 million pounds of shear force to tear it on a straight pull. Granted, that isn't a 45 degree pull, but it somewhat shows the strength of the recovery mounts. I could get all in depth with a Mohr's circle to explain the different vector coordinates of a pull at a certain angle, but just take my word for it and know that the mounts are more than sufficient haha.
 
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ryandavenport

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Looks good sir. Let us know how they hold up. My original stance still stands.
 
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They have a gen2 there now.. I emailed James to see if I could get a peek :) As soon as he is done with his 1st one...he starts building them..
 
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ryandavenport said:
Minor being less than 45 degrees. Anything over 45 degrees is a lost cause anyways. Most people are unaware of the physical properties of metal, which causes them to assume that the metal will bend when it really won't. Hefty FabWorks bumpers recovery points are 3/8 in (according to the website) which given the approximate size of the mount, comes out to a little over 21 million pounds of shear force to tear it on a straight pull. Granted, that isn't a 45 degree pull, but it somewhat shows the strength of the recovery mounts. I could get all in depth with a Mohr's circle to explain the different vector coordinates of a pull at a certain angle, but just take my word for it and know that the mounts are more than sufficient haha.
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Not intending for this to be taken as an attack but I believe you are confusing brittle with ductile. Mohr's criterion is used in reference to brittle material. To properly determine the break strength of steal; classified as a ductile material, you would want to use Von Mises Criterion. Once again not a personal attack, I got nothing but love for you Ryan. ;)
 
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Ahh sir you are correct. I forgot about that.

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TN4x4Xterra

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Do I sense a engineering debate between Macgyermedic and Ryan?!?!? :D

Shall I start an engineering thread for those that are in engineering? lol
 
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if they're reinforced like that, I like them a bit more, but, I still say it could have some side reinforcement too and not be hurt at all...
 
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