Swapping Rear Ends

El Robot

Bought an X
Location
Frankfort Ky
So I've been looking at the possibility of trying to swap in a rear end from an OR X for the E-Locker. I'm not entirely sure what kind of roadblocks I need to be looking for though. I currently have the LSD rear end (not sure if it's 4.6 or 4.9) and I believe it's the venerable H233B (not a 100% though). I'm currently away from my truck so I can't see the door sticker until I can get someone to grab a pic of it.

Would I be able to switch out the entire rear end? If so will my only obstacles be wiring and the switch?

I have searched the inter-webs pretty diligently all afternoon, and while I've gotten a lot of information, most of it is just re-gearing itself and not really about the rear end itself.

Any help will be greatly appreciated!

- Jeremy

*Also anyone know where I can find the part number or something similar in order to make sure I'm looking at a true OR E-Locked rear end?
 

Intender

Wheeling
Location
Lewisville NC
The 2nd gen is wider, so the axle is wider, and has different wheel lug pattern. You would have to buy 2 different wheels for the rear (and you will now need 2 spares), or run adapters that are going to make it even wider. The leaf spring perches will have to be cut off and relocated to match the width of the xterra frame, new mounts for the shocks. You will have to figure out a way to connect the brake lines since they are different. Not sure if the yoke bolt pattern is the same or not, and you will most likely need a new driveshaft for the rear (I think it will be too short), the gearing is different, the pinion angle might be off (you can fix that when you re locate the spring perches). You will lose ABS unless you figure out a way to make the 2nd gen sensors work with the 1st gen. Probably more stuff, but thats just off the top of my head.
 
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El Robot

Bought an X
Location
Frankfort Ky
Well I don't know how this happened but for LITERALLY all these years I thought the Gen 1s had an OR package. They did not. Somehow I am flabbergasted at myself for not knowing this. No wonder I could not find anything on the subject. How have a been reading forums all these years and that not occur to me? I will now curl up in the corner and contemplate the mysteries around me.

Also there is no way I'd work at fitting anything Gen 2 on my X. Talk about a lot of work. Gah.
 

El Robot

Bought an X
Location
Frankfort Ky
So lets talk about super packing the LSD! Anyone done a write up for it? I KNOW that's gonna be an option, let's up that break away torque! Ignore the non-existant trim package elephant in the room!
 

Prime

Shut up Baby, I know it!
Admin
Location
Denver Adjacent
Lol. Nice catch.

As it is, the rear end options for the H233b are limited. Mainly gears and and an ARB air locker. I don't know of anyone that has over packed the LSD unit before or how that would effect driveability.

Another option on the table is the Isuzu Rodeo D44 swap. Correct axle width, correct lug pattern, disc brakes, & lots of gear & pumpkin options.

To be honest, if I had learned of that swap before investing in an ARB locker, I would have gone that route.
 

Intender

Wheeling
Location
Lewisville NC
super packing the rear end is something I have been considering doing for quite a while. I have read of several people doing it, and generally speaking the end result is usually a little bit of chirping or tire squeel in the rear end with going around tight corners, and you will probably wear your rear tires a lot faster from the extra resistance. If you over pack it too much you could bomb your diff and destroy it. from what I have read the best way to pack one is to add discs until you get a lot of chirping from your tires around curves and either stop there or remove one disc to stop the chirping. I probably wouldnt go too crazy if your truck is a daily driver, but its up to you. My rear lsd is very worn at this point so I am either going to super pack mine or start saving for an arb. Your stock lsd in a 1.5 gen had a stupid low break away torque to start so packing it a little wouldnt hurt too much.
 

granitex

Skid Plates
Founding Member
Location
Columbus OH
check the ID plate on the drivers door jam, it will tell you if you have 4.6 or the 4.9 gears, and if you also check to see if you even have an LSD. If not than the discussion of the super pack its moot.
 

El Robot

Bought an X
Location
Frankfort Ky
Oh I know I have an LSD for sure. The orange sitcker draws the eye when sitting on the ground fiddle-dicking (scientific term) with the rear end. I wanna say years ago TJ may have super-packed his LSD. The thread my still reside deep within CX. I'm pretty sure you can also use the pack out of a mid nineties Pathy and achieve the same goal. There is a thread floating around somewhere the brings it up. The ARB idea has floated around my head for a number of years but I just haven't justified the price. I've also thought about just installing a new set of stock discs, then opting not to use LSD fluid. TJ did that too at some point I think.
 

Cyclemut

Wheeling
Founding Member
Location
Morrison, CO
El Robot, is your truck 4WD or 2WD? Auto or stick? If it's a 4WD auto, it's got a the 4.90 gears with the H233b rear end. If it's a 4WD stick, then it's got the 4.63 gears in the same H233b.

The axle shafts on the H233b are actually larger than the Ford 9" rear end. Which means that they're considerably larger than the Dana 44. The ring gear size for the H233b happens to be 233mm (crazy, right?!) which is 9.17", whereas the Ford 9" has only a 9" ring gear. So the strength of the H233b is there, no doubt. It's a lot stronger than the Dana 44 to be sure.

I've done a lot of superpacks. Both for myself and for people. I know of several people that still running the diffs I superpacked almost 10 years ago. No issues.

All you do is to pull the 3rd member out of your axle, measure the backlash of the ring and pinion, remove the carrier from the 3rd, split the carrier, add one steel (not a friction) plate to both sides, reassemble the carrier (make sure the threads are clean and dry in the carrier, the bolts are clean and dry and then use loctite on the threads), reinstall the carrier into the 3rd (setting the backlash back to where you found it, don't be tempted to tighten the backlash up, it will induce a 2nd pattern, cause noise and could even start scaling the teeth of the ring gear), reinstall the 3rd into the housing (don't have to use a gasket between the 3rd and the housing like Nissan did originally, just use some good RTV sealant, I like either black Right Stuff or the grey Permatex) and fill the axle with plain 80W-90.

You'll get some chirping of the tires around corners because now you're running a superpack/spool in the rear end. I've had the back end of my first X on one rear wheel, running 35's, SuperCharger pounding away, 4000 rpm and 4.90's with the single tire smoking and it never broke loose. Unless you spend the time (and money) to take your LSD apart, measure the pack height, set it a little tighter (closer to the older Pathy packs) by buying different height friction plates, putting it back together and measuring the breakaway, and then doing it all again until you get what you want, then I'd suggest either the superpack option (it's just spooling your rear end) or the ARB.

If you can save for the ARB, you will save the money on tires. If you have access to tires cheaply enough, or it's not your DD, then the superpack is an option.

But don't swap in a Dana 44. Although locker options are far and wide for them, unless you spend the money for full chromo axles, beefy cover, etc., then it's just a step down for what you want. Even if you're planning on doing the SAS in the future, the minimum I'd go is the Ford 8.8" with the disc brakes. Even then, you still have plenty of options for the locker, get the crush sleeve eliminator kit, you can use the center speed sensor (with a Dakota Digital adapter) for your ABS, I think that Moser sells chromo shafts and you can order them with the 6 x 5.5" pattern, swap in a brake Master Cylinder from a Pathfinder that had 4 wheel discs (have to swap out the residual valve that's on the outside of the passenger's side of the frame by the fuel lines with the same residual valve for the Pathfinder too) and go to town. But the ratios for the ring and pinions won't be an exact match to the front diff, so you're still stuck in that manner (as long as you're within 5%, you're OK for slipper conditions), you'll have to modify your driveshaft to fit whatever rear end you pick and then there's the welding, brake lines, ABS, shocks, etc.

If you've got the stick 4WD, grab the front and rear 3rd out of an automatic 4WD and swap them in. If you're running larger than stock tires you will love it! I just put in a set of ARB's for a friend that was putting the 4.90's in his manual Xterra. Way cool!
 

Prime

Shut up Baby, I know it!
Admin
Location
Denver Adjacent
It says 4.9 on the sticker?

Yep.

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Cyclemut

Wheeling
Founding Member
Location
Morrison, CO
According to Nissan, the 4.90 gear set was an option for the XE with a manual trans, similar to the taller gears (4.636) was an option for the SE auto, where the 4.9 was standard.

So, one could order them different gears than standard, but for a stock truck, the 4.9 is standard for the auto, 4.63 is standard for the manual.

One could probably have ordered a truck in pink, doesn't mean it's standard. ;)
 

El Robot

Bought an X
Location
Frankfort Ky
First of all thanks to Cyclemut for dropping an A-bomb of rear end knowledge!

Mine is a 4wd auto, but again I can't check my sticker until I get home in June, or I get the wife to take a pic of it. I've read numerous times that the H233B is one hell of a piece of equipment. I think that the Patrols ran it on the front and the back (before they went IFS). Mine will continue to be a DD and even when it's not, I'll still have the desire to have the ability to drive 2,000 miles before hitting the trails. Mine has been more purposed towards Overlanding more so than dedicated to just mud and technical trails. SAS will most likely never be in my future, but lockers will be. I like the idea of a Super Packed rear end, but I'm iffy on how much I'll be wanting to risk the tire wear. This year alone I'll be driving to Nova Scotia in June, then out to Southern Utah/Northern Arizona in October, so while there is a lot of trail mileage on her shoes, there's a whole hell of a lot of road miles too.

I suppose I'll just have to contend with the weak break away, and save for an ARB for the rear (and in the future the Lokka will most likely be replaced up front with and ARB as well).

Thanks again guys for all the input, as it's always appreciated!
 

Cruecible

Titan Swapped / SAS'd
Location
Albuquerque, NM
Cyclemut, before I read your clarification on the options that could be ordered in regards to the rear axle, I was a confused when I read my door jam sticker and saw that it was the HG46 (4.6 gears) while having an SE 4wd auto. My Xterra seemed to come with several options that I haven't seen all together on another rig. I love the uniqueness of these things.
 

rokdaddy

Wheeling
Founding Member
Location
New Mexico
Cyclemut, before I read your clarification on the options that could be ordered in regards to the rear axle, I was a confused when I read my door jam sticker and saw that it was the HG46 (4.6 gears) while having an SE 4wd auto. My Xterra seemed to come with several options that I haven't seen all together on another rig. I love the uniqueness of these things.

4.63:1 is by far the most common ratio in first gens with auto transmissions. 4.9:1 is a pretty rare find from what I've seen. Not a huge difference between the two but it should be noticible.

-Rok
 

Cruecible

Titan Swapped / SAS'd
Location
Albuquerque, NM
4.63:1 is by far the most common ratio in first gens with auto transmissions. 4.9:1 is a pretty rare find from what I've seen. Not a huge difference between the two but it should be noticible.

-Rok

And here I thought I was special! Seriously though, there is good info in this thread that will be submitted to my ever expanding Xterra knowledge bank.
 

granitex

Skid Plates
Founding Member
Location
Columbus OH
All of this discussion, and nobody noticed that the gear ratios between the first gen and second gens are way different.
 

Prime

Shut up Baby, I know it!
Admin
Location
Denver Adjacent
I didn't realize that was a point of discussion but yeah, the power output is for the VQ40 is so much higher that it doesn't need the gear ratio to push the truck around that our puny little engines need.
 
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