2nd gen lift
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2.5" is gonna give you cbc. you'll need UCAs for anything over 2". I am running 2" ebay spacers and Nisstec AAL.
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Bump stops are a bandaid to CBC. It basically dampens the blow. However over time the UCA's hitting the bumpstop can weaken them enough to break them. Just ask meatloaf.
If you want to avoid the issue all together, upgrade your UCA's.
BUT, if you're just doing it for looks and rarely off-road then that setup will get you thru. It all depends on your usage.
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If you want to avoid the issue all together, upgrade your UCA's.
BUT, if you're just doing it for looks and rarely off-road then that setup will get you thru. It all depends on your usage.
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Body lift does just that, lift the body. The suspension won't change. You will still have CBC. As for brake lines, you usually don't have to do extensions until you get into 2.75" plus suspension lift. But you will want to check just to be sure at full flex.
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I did not need brake lines. I chose the aal for the reason mentioned above. Once I go full bore with new packs, I'll add a shackle.
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- Glenside, PA
The spring spacer requires coilover disassembly and spring compression. I've heard they also cause a harsher ride. I chose strut spacers due to their ease of installation.
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Coil spacer preloads the spring creating a harsher ride and you will also lose travel due to this.
Strut spacer will give the wanted lift while not preloading springs and maintaining a "stock quality" ride. You are more likely to hit CBC with strut spacers though. Again, what are you going to be using your rig for?
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Strut spacer will give the wanted lift while not preloading springs and maintaining a "stock quality" ride. You are more likely to hit CBC with strut spacers though. Again, what are you going to be using your rig for?
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Well as long as the off roading and mod bug don't bite too hard you should be ok with AAL, spacers and bumpstops. But I personally would still do UCA's.
Edit: I recommend aal as like c3po said shackles flatten stock springs at a faster rate.
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Edit: I recommend aal as like c3po said shackles flatten stock springs at a faster rate.
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A few issues covering some posts' points:
1) Shackles on the X don't prematurely flatten the leaves, that's an old wive's tale based upon the fact that leaves tend to flatten with age, and, off roading itself...and, pack INVERSION, which IS a problem, but not for the X....regardless of whether you have shackles or not. Long-term tests with and w/o shackles found that there was no difference, even though both tended to flatten with use/time. The use of overly LONG shackles is another story though, as if the shackles are SO LONG that they allow the leaf pack to bow UP, THAT'S a problem. Its more an issue on the old leaf sprung jeeps, etc...when they tried to get # -6" of SL from JUST a shackle, etc. Measurements on X's indicate that no one uses shackles to get that much lift, maybe 2" of lift at most...but not 6", etc. A shackle for the X would need to be ~ 8" longer than stock to get into inversion territory...and, most of our shackles are closer to ~ 3" longer to get 1.5" of lift, etc. Revolver Shackles can EXTEND to ~ 10.5", but, compress to barely longer than stock, so no inversion occurs....plus, they are easier on packs as they allow rotation and avoid stress from pack twisting, etc. (So don't worry about pack wear from lift shackles)
2) A bump stop extension robs you of uptravel, which is in short supply to start with on a lifted rig. The lift ITSELF is due to "Pre-Drooping" the suspension, so you use up some precious down travel just lifting. WITHOUT bumpstop extensions, the lost down travel is at least replaced by additional Up travel, but, stop extension rob you of that, so, you do not get any additional wheel travel, and in fact, can end up with LESS wheel travel/articulation.
3) The BL is best for preserving up travel, as its lifts the parts that the upcoming tire tends to whack.
4) As discussed, you get bucket bang w/o new UCA if you go over 2-2.5" of front lift.
5) The shocks with "built-in lift" essentially have built in bump stops that prevent the rig from settling to a lower ride height, thus robbing you of wheel travel.
1) Shackles on the X don't prematurely flatten the leaves, that's an old wive's tale based upon the fact that leaves tend to flatten with age, and, off roading itself...and, pack INVERSION, which IS a problem, but not for the X....regardless of whether you have shackles or not. Long-term tests with and w/o shackles found that there was no difference, even though both tended to flatten with use/time. The use of overly LONG shackles is another story though, as if the shackles are SO LONG that they allow the leaf pack to bow UP, THAT'S a problem. Its more an issue on the old leaf sprung jeeps, etc...when they tried to get # -6" of SL from JUST a shackle, etc. Measurements on X's indicate that no one uses shackles to get that much lift, maybe 2" of lift at most...but not 6", etc. A shackle for the X would need to be ~ 8" longer than stock to get into inversion territory...and, most of our shackles are closer to ~ 3" longer to get 1.5" of lift, etc. Revolver Shackles can EXTEND to ~ 10.5", but, compress to barely longer than stock, so no inversion occurs....plus, they are easier on packs as they allow rotation and avoid stress from pack twisting, etc. (So don't worry about pack wear from lift shackles)
2) A bump stop extension robs you of uptravel, which is in short supply to start with on a lifted rig. The lift ITSELF is due to "Pre-Drooping" the suspension, so you use up some precious down travel just lifting. WITHOUT bumpstop extensions, the lost down travel is at least replaced by additional Up travel, but, stop extension rob you of that, so, you do not get any additional wheel travel, and in fact, can end up with LESS wheel travel/articulation.
3) The BL is best for preserving up travel, as its lifts the parts that the upcoming tire tends to whack.
4) As discussed, you get bucket bang w/o new UCA if you go over 2-2.5" of front lift.
5) The shocks with "built-in lift" essentially have built in bump stops that prevent the rig from settling to a lower ride height, thus robbing you of wheel travel.