Grandpa X's Xterra

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Casper

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Grandpa X said:
First bumper... then there was a second... next there will be a third that works somewhat like the Xterra setup.
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Ummmmmmmmm, I know I'm out of touch and all...........but hasn't this rig HAD three front bumpers????? And your on to number four now???????

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Grandpa X

First Fill-Up (of many)
Location
Luverne Mn
Hmm... what am I up to now???

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Grandpa X

First Fill-Up (of many)
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Luverne Mn
My Daughter is calling it FrankenSnoopy...

This is a mount for sliders..

Looking at the snoopy face.. the eyes, nose, bottom of the ears, and around the chin will be welded to the frame.

The studded part (forehead) is above the frame.



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The two bare holes will use the original mounting points for the running boards.

Two holes will need to be cut into the frame for the nuts on the other two holes to poke through.

Again, the upper studs are above the frame... studs are used to give the brake/fuel lines some room.

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This plate is a mock up of what the sliders will be welded to.

With no body lift the sliders will have six mounting bolts per mount.

This all fits without a body lift...

If a guy was to make sliders without a body lift (using these plates) and the later added a body lift.. the sliders can be lifted without modification and still have four bolts per mount (Twice as much as OEM).

The move up is 2 1/4 inches....

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If later the OEM running boards were to be installed.. they could mount in either position using the holes on one side...
 
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Grandpa X

First Fill-Up (of many)
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Luverne Mn
The original factory holes on the right.. and the placement for the extra holes on the left. The two upper holes are above the frame.

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Placed and welded... now time to attach slider...

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Slider finished ... six bolts per stanchion ...

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xterraminator

xterraminator

Wheeling
Location
Maple Ridge,BC
Hi Grandpa X. I noticed on the above picture of your 4-link rear suspension you are not using flex joints in the arms such as a Johnny joints. When the truck/axle flexes how are the arms going to twist without the J joints? I assume your relying on the rubber joints to supply the flex. I guess the way you have built it, this truck will never be a flexy truck? Just curious. The build is looking good.
 
Cyclemut

Cyclemut

Wheeling
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Morrison, CO
He used those joints due to availability, as well as flex. If you don't think they'll flex, you should probably look at the front end of a Cherokee, any -J series, etc. Those are the same joints.
This rig isn't built for the hard core trails. That's what his truggy, his Pathy(s), any of the multitude of vehicles he's built over the years is for.
This is what he builds when he wants flex (RIP Red)
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xterraminator

xterraminator

Wheeling
Location
Maple Ridge,BC
I cant really see in the picture I assume he is only welding joint housing's( http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Ballistic-Poly-Bushing-263-w-Weldable-Housing_p_1663.html) to the end of 2" DOM pipe instead of Johnny joints at one end. I am quite surprised that it would flex with just joint housing. Without JJ's would there be additional stress? on the frame supports? I am just asking for educational purposes, not to say what he is doing is wrong. Very interesting.
 
NMTerras

NMTerras

Suspension Lift
Location
New Mexico
xterraminator said:
Blue Pathy on this page or before, the one showing the beautiful axle truss job.
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Thought so (although ALL of gramps work is beautiful). i would imagine with the geometry executed correctly, the dual triangles that make up the four-link allow for axle travel (flex) without axial rotation in the links. However I am far from expert and will defer to the man...
 
Cyclemut

Cyclemut

Wheeling
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With a properly triangulated 4 link, the joint ends will have some flex, yes, but not as much as would be needed without the proper triangulation.

I know Ryan is building that rig for the big stuff. But he's also thinking of maintenance too. While the proper angles and setup of the suspension will not need the JJ's, the rubber joints that's being used on that setup can be replaced for less than $10 each and can be had most anywhere. They also don't bang and clunk like JJ's do. So if he's in Moab and spits a joint, he can have a new one from the NAPA in town, fix it and be back on the trail in no time, for less than the cost of lunch.

A lot of time folks use a JJ to compensate for a less than optimal setup, let the joint take the abuse and make it work. A rubber bushing in that scenario won't last long.

There are several 4 link calculators online that work great. Setting up the correct geometry is key. If you're wanting to do something like that, there's a bunch of research to be had. But if you're cutting up your suspension and going that route, all the research will pay off ten-fold when your rig drives like a dream, doesn't squat when you take off, jump when you brake and doesn't wear out suspension components.

Ryan also doesn't talk much about how he actually sets up his suspensions. I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, so I apologize if I come off like one, really. I just know that Ryan has talked to a bunch of folks about how to do it and it's bit him in the ass. A couple of guys have even started doing it to other folks' rigs, getting paid, but when they run into a problem, act like Ryan OWES them something. So he keeps his advice to himself. Again, I'm not trying to be an ass at all, but I've known Ryan for a very long time. He's like a brother-from-another and I totally get where he's coming from.

Hell, I don't how to set up a 4 link either. I'd have to Google the crap out of it and even then, have Ryan up for a beer, maybe even some Macallan 18, and pick his brain.

Which reminds me, I need some Macallan 18.
 
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Grandpa X

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Luverne Mn
xterraminator said:
I cant really see in the picture I assume he is only welding joint housing's( http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Ballistic-Poly-Bushing-263-w-Weldable-Housing_p_1663.html) to the end of 2" DOM pipe instead of Johnny joints at one end. I am quite surprised that it would flex with just joint housing. Without JJ's would there be additional stress? on the frame supports? I am just asking for educational purposes, not to say what he is doing is wrong. Very interesting.
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Using oem Jeep joints on the body side of the links keeps the suspension noise down.



Hint.. you are only seeing the one end of the arms.....


the other ends contains...
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Grandpa X

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Got these milled..
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To fit these...

NWM
 
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Jbat

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Utah
question about your hood, 1.5 gen hood with square headlights? did you have to trim the front of the hood or is it a fronty hood to match the fronty grill?

EDIT: NVM, found it in post #135 haha, very nice
 
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BEEFY

BEEFY

I Smile when Gasoline Can Freeze
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Prince George, BC, Canada
You sir, have issues. And i want them which gives me bad ideas. I just picked up a 87 pathy for the tcase cause its previous owner didnt do the timing belt properly and bent a bunch of valves. But now after seeing this.....

And what is on the trailer?
 
Roadwarrior

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Probably in class..
Grandpa X said:
Pathy on 38in TSL's...

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I would like to know what this height is over stock.. I am never cease to be impressed with how well you are able to tuck some monster tires under your rigs, and still make them capable.

Others use sawzalls and beer, you just seem to use science and engineering.

Well done sir, well done.
 
Jbat

Jbat

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Utah
Roadwarrior said:
I would like to know what this height is over stock.. I am never cease to be impressed with how well you are able to tuck some monster tires under your rigs, and still make them capable.

Others use sawzalls and beer, you just seem to use science and engineering.

Well done sir, well done.
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sawzalls and beer are a proven scientific method you know.
 
Roadwarrior

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Jbat said:
sawzalls and beer are a proven scientific method you know.
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Proven, sure, scientific.. thats a loose title to put on beer and power tools (unless needed)

I just look through this thread every time it pops up on the forum and applaud the physical results of the mental workings that were created.. I might be the only one clapping in this library right now.. finals week approaching has everyone in a sour mood, but I will still clap a quality job.
 
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Grandpa X

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Luverne Mn
Stock X beside mine...

Measuring... mine is 4 inches taller.

3 inches of that height is from the tires....

Then in the background is the 87 Pathy on 38's (engine is out so the front is up a little)... hiding behind a stock R51 Pathy.


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Kirk_R

Kirk_R

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Keller TX
If Xterra's were made like this from the Factory - they would still be making them LOL. NICE WORK, and mine wants to grow up like that one day...
 
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