Trying To Decide On New UCAs

Diadaga

Suspension Lift
Founding Member
Location
Virginia
So I'm looking at getting new UCas so that I can finish out my suspension upgrade. Does anybody have any experience or opinions on either Nixxtec's, PRG's, or Total Chaos' UCas? I know that PRG and TC cost more then Nixxtec are theirs worth the extra money? Any info is helpful yall.
 

Macland

Titan Swapped / SAS'd
Founding Member
I don't know anything about them personally but Nisstec's stuff has a discount code you can use because they are a sponsor here. I haven't heard anything negative about their parts yet. It seems like they are carrying the same quality standards they do with Toytech.
 

civicjoe

lone wolf mod
Founding Member
Location
Nevada
I too am facing such a dilemma, I think marcin has pegs. And was going to help install a nisstech set. So maybe he can chime in with his opinion of the 2 different styles and brands. I know with the nisstech ones have some kind of rubber bit that can be damaged but I don't know enough about it to go into detail.


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Ripper

Bought an X
Location
Western MA
Nisstec recommends that you grind down the lip of the coil bucket. No thanks. You should not have to do that. PRG or TC its just install and go. If I could do it again I prob would go with TC. Nothing against PRG, but Ive had to replace the Uniballs and and a buddy of mine has had to replace them twice.
 
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J Everett

Suspension Lift
Founding Member
Location
Houma, LA
From what I've read, the only Nisstec UCA users having issues with the ball joint boot getting pinched on the coil bucket lip are those that do not have alignment cam bolts in the LCA's. They are having to move the ball joint all the way inboard on the UCA to correct their camber after a lift. Those with camber adjustment in the LCA are moving the LCA pivot point outward to correct the camber instead of moving the UCA ball joint inward.

I'm personally going to get the Nisstec UCA's when the time comes, because I drive on a beach a lot, and salt water is going to wreck those exposed heim joints on the PRG and TC units. If you drive in similar areas, or in a place where they salt the roads in winter, that's something to be aware of.
 

civicjoe

lone wolf mod
Founding Member
Location
Nevada
I emailed them and they told me that the uca only worked with their lift kit, kinda left me scratching my head. Perhaps I'll ask greg at PRG about this.
 

J Everett

Suspension Lift
Founding Member
Location
Houma, LA
Unless the attachment between the ball joint and their steering knuckle is a different size than the stock knuckle, I can't see how they could only be used with their lift kit. Sounds like they're blowing smoke to get you to buy their lift.
 
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Diadaga

Suspension Lift
Founding Member
Location
Virginia
From what I've read, the only Nisstec UCA users having issues with the ball joint boot getting pinched on the coil bucket lip are those that do not have alignment cam bolts in the LCA's. They are having to move the ball joint all the way inboard on the UCA to correct their camber after a lift. Those with camber adjustment in the LCA are moving the LCA pivot point outward to correct the camber instead of moving the UCA ball joint inward.

I'm personally going to get the Nisstec UCA's when the time comes, because I drive on a beach a lot, and salt water is going to wreck those exposed heim joints on the PRG and TC units. If you drive in similar areas, or in a place where they salt the roads in winter, that's something to be aware of.

I saw a couple people over on TNX saying the same thing about the camber bolts. Luckily I went ahead and bought the bolts just for good measure when I ordered my lift.
 

civicjoe

lone wolf mod
Founding Member
Location
Nevada
Well just heard from Greg at prg he said he would suppose they would work they aren't very popular so he hasnt checked Clearance on them


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Peck

Bought an X
Location
Texas
Keep in mind that with the PRG UCAs with heims, that heim joints aren't supposed to be forgotten about. They are user serviceable and rebuildable for a reason -- many think it's a set it and forget type of thing.

PRG does offer UCAs without heim joints and uses Delrin bushing instead, but still uses a uniball to mount to the knuckle.
 

Cyclemut

Wheeling
Founding Member
Location
Morrison, CO
I would stay far, far away from the Crapmini UCA's! I know of two individuals who have tried them and both had such sever issues that they returned them and went with something else.

Oh really? And what issued did they have that they returned them? This would be the first I've ever heard of it, and I know the owner of Calmini.
 

civicjoe

lone wolf mod
Founding Member
Location
Nevada
Well the issues have been resolved with them for the most part. There's a whole thread over on tnx about them that flared up and had to be moderated all to hell and back, but there was a guy who got them recently and had no issue with them, but they may suggest you trim your coil bucket because the stamping of the steel is not uniform on every truck so there may or may not be a clearance issue, so trimming or grinding is recommended. I didn't want to deal with that so I decided to go prg because of their highly regarded rep. Even though Greg maybe hard to get ahold of.


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civicjoe

lone wolf mod
Founding Member
Location
Nevada
Well I think it was a matter of if you didnt trim the coil bucket it would damage the ball joint, now this is just hearsay since i do not have first hand experience with them. I did however email them and ask about " I heard that with the calmini uca I might have to do
some trimming or something. Can you elaborate on this? "

and this was the reply

Front suspension component clearance with the D40 Frontier is of great
concern when modifying the vehicles due to the overall design of their front
suspension. To make matters more complex, production variances from Nissan
on the factory upper control arms and upper coil buckets leave clearance at
even more of a premium on some vehicles. From the factory, the upper control
arms and upper coil buckets are stamped pieces of steel. The finished
stampings have a "lip" of material that is left around the outer perimeter
of the workpiece. This lip is then cut to allow for fitment and final
installation on the frame from the factory. Variances in the widths of these
outer edges can contribute to clearance issues beyond the overall tight
design of the front suspension. This variance is largely to blame for the
difficulty in determining beforehand whether or not a vehicle will suffer
from the common "clunk" sound that you've undoubtedly read or heard about
when the upper control arms makes contact with the coil bucket at full droop
once a suspension lift has been installed.
We designed the NP17570 D40 Frontier Heavy Duty Upper Control Arms to not
only address these clearance concerns, but to offer an upper control arm
that is much stronger than the factory unit to sustain the rigors of
off-road driving and can be easily maintained and rebuilt over time as
needed. Essential to this strength and rebuildability are the CALMINI
proprietary ball joints that are included with the control arm set. The ball
joint offers a double shear mount that we feel is necessary for proper
long-term functionality and safety.
The NP17570 D40 Frontier Heavy Duty Upper Control Arm Set will yield
additional upper control arm-to-upper coil bucket clearance on your vehicle.
However, due to the aforementioned factory component variances, please be
advised that trimming of your upper coil bucket may be necessary to allow
for proper clearance of our arm set (in particular, the area around the ball
joint boot).

If you have any questions please let me know.

Thank you,

Justin
CALMINI Products

Which was an explanatory way of saying yes you will, i would have been happy. LOL
 

Cyclemut

Wheeling
Founding Member
Location
Morrison, CO
Almost every set of UCA's I've installed has had to have the coil bucket shaved or ground on in one way or another. I never thought it was a big deal. Others that don't have the experience always seem to have an issue with it.

It's just one of those things.
 

joel

Test Drive
Location
Tennetucky
So I'm looking at getting new UCas so that I can finish out my suspension upgrade. Does anybody have any experience or opinions on either Nixxtec's, PRG's, or Total Chaos' UCas? I know that PRG and TC cost more then Nixxtec are theirs worth the extra money? Any info is helpful yall.

My suggestion... Since I believe you are going with the OME suspension lift, I would recommend not purchasing new upper control arms. With the OME you might yield around 2.0" max dependent on spring choice and front bumper/winch. At 2 inches of lift (shocks not spacers), coil bucket contact is negligible defeating the purpose of aftermarket UCAs.
Save your money for beer or gas.
But if you insist, I would go with the PRG UCAs, a quality proven product.
 

Diadaga

Suspension Lift
Founding Member
Location
Virginia
I'll definitely keep it in mind right now they are still in decision making process. So no rush to do this just trying to figure things out.
 
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