Prime'z D44 Build

Prime Oct 20, 2013

  1. Prime

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    So here's my starting point
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    D44 from a mid 80s Grand Waggy.

    Current Specs:
    3.27 gears
    Open differential
    Full time slugs
    Everything spins nice and freely

    Here's where it's going:
    5.13 gears
    ARB
    Auto hubs (if I can find them)
    New shafts, u-joints, ball joints, & steering linkage
    Best brakes I can get & keep my DR wheels
    Retain Nissan ABS
    High steer kit?


    Those are my goals. Now, how do I get there? Some of the stuff is obvious. But I need some input on the brakes and ABS components. Mainly I want to hear from you guys. What should be a priority and what should I steer clear of. I know wheel spacers are required.

    Input?
     
  2. drbandkgb

    drbandkgb Titan Swapped / SAS'd Founding Member

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    How do you plan to keep the abs?
     
  3. Prime

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    Well, ABS simply uses a slotted tone ring and a sensor. So as long as I can find a way to get the tone rings on the axle (there has to be D44s w/ ABS out there) I should be able to reuse the factory sensors. That should be all there is to it.
     
  4. Prime

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    Hrmm...the only D44's I can find w/ ABS rings are on a mid 90's dodge. The ring seems to be in on the outer axle shaft and that outer is a good 3" shorter than the outer I need. I don't have any problem throwing money into it. But I just need to do more digging. Dynatrac made an ABS retrofit kit that I found in a 4-wheeler article. But no mention of it on their website. The main reason I want to keep the ABS operational is I still want it to drive like the same truck. Obviously it won't because of the solid axle, but eliminating a functional system seems silly to me.

    On the High steer...thats why there was a question mark at the end. I don't know if thats in any way required or even a good idea. I fully plan on doing coilovers. I've driven front leaf trucks before. No thanks. heh.
     
  5. Prime

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    Is the track bar on the Calmini kit linked to the steering knuckles? Because I would expect it to run from the axle tube to the frame. In my experience with solid axles, the steering linkage has nothing to do with the track bar.
     
  6. Prime

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    No offense taken. This is why I'm asking these questions.

    Actually, yeah, that makes perfect sense. And as soon as I read it I realized that I already knew the track bar and drag link needed to be parallel. Its been a while since I've played with solid axles. Bear with me. heh.

    Okay, so that is off the table. No worries. Moving on.

    Can we discuss hubs a little bit? I'd really like something that is on demand available instead of having to get out and lock the hubs. But that seems to be impossible on a 44. All I can find are the solid drive flanges which is what the axle has now. And while I understand that eliminates a failure point in a 4wd system, I certainly do not want my entire axle rotating all the time.

    On the ABS front, I've emailed Dynatrac about the retrofit. In the mean time, I might pick up and ABS ring and disassemble the axle to see if there's a place it can be made to fit that's accessible to the sensor.
     
  7. Xterrafauss

    Xterrafauss Suspension Lift

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    Gahhhh I want to understand but I just can't.......The SAS process and such is over my head.


    Still fun to read and trying to learn....maybe one day.
     
  8. Roadwarrior

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    Every time I think I know something about it, I am proven wrong. I have been following all of these build just to look and think about what I want to do the one day that this actually happens. Threads like this are nothing but useful to people who do not understand the SAS, yet want to dive into the world of solid axles.
     
  9. Prime

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    Another question just popped into my head. Pinion angle. Is it worth having the knuckles spun on the axle so that the pinion angle is right in line with the driveshaft? Or is there enough workability in the U-joints to not justify the added expense?

    Which also brings another question. The axle I bought has all the bracketry cut off of it already. I read somewhere that you need the factory spring perch for proper alignment for the calmini brackets. Is this going to be more difficult for me to get those brackets in the right position? What measurements need to be done for proper positioning since I have no reference point?
     
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  10. Prime

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    So. On the ABS. Dynatrac told me to ask Currie, who told me to ask SteveO
     
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  11. drbandkgb

    drbandkgb Titan Swapped / SAS'd Founding Member

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    It's so easy hahaha...
    I figure I will buy the kit.. I want to keep 33s for right now.. I want to SAS to make my front stronger ;) maybe 35s down the road.

    I know Allen said you have to move the steering box.. Does anyone have any pix of where you relocate it?
     
  12. drbandkgb

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    D44 porn! With 5:13 and a OX locker!!


    I hate that I can't get started till next year...
     
  13. Cyclemut

    Cyclemut Wheeling Founding Member

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    Yeah, GrandpaX's setup has to have the steering box moved. The Calmini setup doesn't move it. And he's not sharing pics of where he moves it. 0_o

    But, Calmini has also changed their arms now, with more gusseting, I have a set sitting in my garage waiting for my lazy but to install them on a buddy's truck. I think Calmini learns from their customer's experiences and take measures to repair them. If I wasn't impressed with their stuff, you wouldn't see me with Calmini blue on every single one of my rigs.

    I should get paid for this! At least a steering kit or something. :D Hi Steve!!! :w00t:
     
  14. Cyclemut

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    Ford had an auto hub setup. I've replaced several of them, usually swapping them out for stronger (and cheaper) manual hub alternatives. The autos were as strong as Nissan's auto hubs.... so not that strong.

    I keep the lockout hubs from a Pathfinder in my truck as spares in case my manual hubs break on the trail. But I'm still IFS (for now).
     
  15. drbandkgb

    drbandkgb Titan Swapped / SAS'd Founding Member

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    So Jay.... Whats up with this ;)
     
  16. Prime

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    Nothing at the moment. Axle is stored under my work bench. As much of a long term project that this is, I'm not in any rush. I've been doing some research here and there. But until I can afford some of the parts I want to put in this thing, it's just going to sit.
     
  17. Nd4SpdSe

    Nd4SpdSe First Fill-Up (of many)

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    Wondering what did you use as bulbs for your fog lights?
     
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    Nd4SpdSe First Fill-Up (of many)

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    Oops, my bad, was suppose to be posted in your worklog...my apologies...
     
  20. Prime

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    No worries man.
     
  21. Prime

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    This is done. I've decided not to move forward with the SAS. Never did anything to the axle and now it's up for sale.
     
  22. akuria

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    WHAT!!!??? why? would you be willing to sell the 5.13s with carrier?
     
  23. Prime

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    I never bought anything other than the axle. So unfortunately, I don't have anything else to sell.

    I've decided that doing the SAS wasn't where I wanted to be with the truck. I've never had a lick of trouble with the IFS other than the limit of articulation. And I decided that the money involved in buildings the axle the way I wanted to would be better spent elsewhere.
     
  24. akuria

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    yeah. It's not cheap to do the swap. I have to say that I am glad I did it. it drives no worse on the road than when I was rolling IFS (I did remove the sway bars both front and back) and the added strength and articulation is super nice.
     

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