Rb26dett

556Tactical

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So here is a crazy/awesome question. Is it possible to swap the VG33E with an RB26DETT? If so how much fab would it involve with the tranny or will that need to be changed also. I know the gearbox for the RB is awd so thinking it might be possible.


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Muadeeb

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Calimini fit a VK56 (v8) into a Gen 2 once (with Nissan's help), but it was a tight fit. The RB26 is a straight 6, so I have trouble seeing how it would even fit without extending the engine bay.
 

556Tactical

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That is my thoughts. Maybe I might get lucky. If I can't I'll try the VQ30DE or an SR20DET which all have more power than the 170hp 3.3


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556Tactical

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I could go all day on the awesomeness of RB motors. One is torque. It's well known that inline motors produce more torque than Vs do any day. Second is reliability. Although the motor only came stock wit 247hp in GT-Rs ,the motor was built with performance in mind with just bolt on parts you can reach up to 600 hp with teardowns I've seen 4 digit up numbers on stock blocks. That the third is performances. ( read reliability). Fourth it's a freakin 2.6 liter twin turbocharged inline 6 that was introduced in a freakin SKYLINE GTR. Which is still a nissan motor. It's not like I'm trying to stick an American V8 in it lol. Lot of people do. A lot of people put hood risers on. Or sticker , cheap led bars that are eBay quality. Why not put rigid industries lights on or lose the risers and put real scoops on. Or let's see. Let's talk about snorkels. It has a good point but after you get in enough water you lose traction regardless just because it's the way an xterra is. Also after you get water past the hubs you have to check to male sure water hast contaminated the grease the. You also have engine components that are not to fond of water. Why do people do that you may ask ? Because it's their vehicle and it's what the like. So sticker, riser, snorkel on. I want an RB motor because that's one motor I have a lot of knowledge about I know what it's strong go and weak point. And lastly because it makes me happy. That's all that matters. Nobody else has to drive it. So who cares what they think. I'm me. This is also for everybody else. If it makes you happy do it regardless of what someone else thinks. Unless you bought it for them does it really matter ? NOPE! So ummm yeah RB26 or even an RB25 is ok with me. NISSAN MOTORS ROCK (minus a couple of rattles they for some reason went cheap on lol.


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556Tactical

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If anyone is wondering why that super car ( along with Supras ) came with max 247 hp. It is because of some garbage Japan's gentlemanls agreement between their automakers


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TheFauxFox

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Calimini fit a VK56 (v8) into a Gen 2 once (with Nissan's help), but it was a tight fit. The RB26 is a straight 6, so I have trouble seeing how it would even fit without extending the engine bay.

There is currently a group of about half a dozen people who are currently undertaking this project. At least 1 is on the road with only minor tuning.
 

J Everett

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FYI, he Japanese gentelmen's agreement you refer to was 276 net hp Also, there was no agreement between tho companies, tacit or otherwise. It all had to do with Japanese Grand Touring Car racing homologation, and it was almost immediately ignored by engineers at all of the major Japanese motor companies, and only really referred to in sales and advertising documents listing the vehicle specs for each company's halo cars (3000GT, Supra, RX-7, NSX, Skyline, 300ZX). Every one of those cars left the factory with over 300 hp. From Super Street:


The JGTC or All-Japan Grand Touring Championship (I hate to say it, but if you've ever played Gran Turismo 2 or 3 then you'll recognize the name VERY quickly) is a prestigious race series in Japan, similar to our NASCAR in popularity. It was created in 1994 and it's governing body the GT-A has VERY strict rules/regulations. The JGTC is seperated into 2 classes the GT 500 & GT 300; the numbers designate the ROUGH hp limits for cars competing in those classes. Motor swaps are restricted to the same manufacturer and the car's body MUST be mostly stock and fucnctional. Aero mods and suspension tweaks are the very limit of what is allowed, so in essense it is mostly stock VS stock, especially in the GT 300 class; are you beginning to see the picture?

While anything from Vipers to Ferraris to Lambos compete in the GT 500, the 300 is more homegrown. The cars that traditionally competed in the GT 300 class were the cream-of-the-crop of all of the Japanese auto manufacturers, and it's line-up consisted of cars like the Mazda FD-3S RX-7, the Mitsu 3000 GT (GTO) and afterwards the EVO, the Nissan 300ZX & Skyline, the Honda NSX, the Toyota Supra, and a few others. Ok, now are you seeing a logical trend here?!?

The JDM manufacturers wanted each of their flagship cars to be able to compete against one another without engine modification within the limits of the GT 300 Class horsepower limitations, so they all "claimed" that none of their cars made over 280 hp at the crank (but most of them underrated their vehicle's capabilities, in essense they all cheated). What better way to advertise your flagship car and prove that yours is better than your competitors than by having your mostly stock sportscar kick theirs' *** in the most prestigious, most watched racing circuit in all of Japan?!? It also made it easier for a potential team/owner to field a GT 300 Class car instead of a 500 because it was much cheaper since no engine mods would be needed. That made the GT 300 more popular than the GT 500, although the "big brother" Class attracted fans of the exotics.

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Thus, the hp "limit" was born, although it was mostly bogus, because for example, some "stock" RB26DETT's (R33/34 Skyline motors) have repeatedly dyno'd well over 320 whp, but the abuses of the rule were generally allowed/ignored because they (the JDM manufacturers) were all doing it, fudging their net hp numbers to gain an advantage on the track. It was only cracked down upon by the GT-A if the races became uncompetitive, as when the Nissan Skylines dominated in the mid-90's and were banned for a short time.

So there you have it. The reason why you are seeing and will be seeing more and more cars being produced that will exceed the limit is because they will not compete in the GT Series, so they see no need to restrict them any longer (but it's obvious that cars like the 350Z and R35 are lined up for the GT 300 & Honda will increase the hp on the NSX to possibly compete in the GT 500 Series in the near future, as will Toyota's new version of the Supra).




Anyway, The RB26DETT is a fantastic engine, but I'm pretty sure its overall length would prohibit it from fitting in an Xterra engine bay without extensive firewall modications. The AWD transaxle from the Skyline GT-R's would definitely not work the same as transmission/transfer case combo.
 
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556Tactical

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That is all true but the skyline and supra STOCK were never produced over 300 hp. They what you would call contracted to different companies I.e nur. Which is equivalent to our mustangs and Shelby or rousch. The skyline hp didn't just happen to let's say the bnr34 but also the er34 which was the sadan. A lot of cars where sold from factory over boosted. Which on those type cars wouldn't hurt them one bit. But also bring the power up Yes they all cheated. But the did sell as stock cars less then 300 hp. Also remember those cars are all detuned meaning that just a reprogram will launch them way over 300



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J Everett

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I know some of the base model cars sold with less than 300hp, but all of the halo cars, the top of the line specced cars (300ZX Twin Turbo, for instance, compared to the N/A VG30 car) have dyno'd at well over 300bhp.
 

556Tactical

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Yes but that's what I meant by over boosted. After manufactured a lot of those cars might have "accidentally" had boost pressures set too high. Along with RB motors the VG30dett motors could take ALOT of boost pressure


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556Tactical

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I will create the first true Nismo Xterra. With all its torque inline awsomeness


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Jbat

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As long as your not afraid to cut the firewall and move your dash around then go for it. Other option would be to extend the front end which is pretty pointless for a 4wd vehicle unless your moving your front axle forwards. The xterra engine bay is very short (about 30"). And makes for a tight fit for any motor swaps. The other issue is the bellhousing width. My motor fit lengthwise barely until I bolted a bellhousing on. Then it was too long and too wide so the firewall and the floor got the **** cut out of it
 

Muadeeb

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It sounds like you have a project you really want to do. Most of us here probably have no experience with this engine, we're all pretty sure it won't fit without major body modifications. Do your research, have fun, we will help you out where we can. A unique engine swap is like a well done SAS and will be drooled over extensively. Just look at Ronin's swap...
 

556Tactical

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Thank you for the confidence. I'm going to pull the fire wall back just because I'm not extending the frame to push out the front because your right on being pointless on a 4x4. You want the nose past the front axle to be as short as possible. As far as bell housing a good fab shop could do that. All that is is pretty much a mount/cover. As long as the splits line up. Now I'm not sure if the ka24 utilizes the same tranny I have not gone that far in research. If it is then the splines should be ok being that an SR and a KA align decently it should not be a problem with an RB. On the width I'm going to have fun with that due to piggyback turbos. Depending on how wild I go. I might have to do some eliminating with some factory X stuff and also do a battery and radiator relocation. Luckily cars and trucks are set up similar when it comes to drive components. It's the suspension I've got to focus on now. I don't want to put so much power that I smoke tires going up a rock or even worse flipping back due to the torque. I see a lot of added weight and heavy suspension being put on. Heck I want revolvers but I'm not sure if that's possible with a whole lotta weight


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TJTJ

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Thank you for the confidence. I'm going to pull the fire wall back just because I'm not extending the frame to push out the front because your right on being pointless on a 4x4. You want the nose past the front axle to be as short as possible. As far as bell housing a good fab shop could do that. All that is is pretty much a mount/cover. As long as the splits line up. Now I'm not sure if the ka24 utilizes the same tranny I have not gone that far in research. If it is then the splines should be ok being that an SR and a KA align decently it should not be a problem with an RB. On the width I'm going to have fun with that due to piggyback turbos. Depending on how wild I go. I might have to do some eliminating with some factory X stuff and also do a battery and radiator relocation. Luckily cars and trucks are set up similar when it comes to drive components. It's the suspension I've got to focus on now. I don't want to put so much power that I smoke tires going up a rock or even worse flipping back due to the torque. I see a lot of added weight and heavy suspension being put on. Heck I want revolvers but I'm not sure if that's possible with a whole lotta weight


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Well, as the entire thing would mean the steering, cross members, frame/horns, etc, are ALL in the wrong place, maybe the solution is to abandon the current front end entirely.

That way, you can increase the wheelbase but have the front axle (Might as well SAS at this point) still as forward as possible...and MAKE ROOM for the engine and new shafts and steering and cooling system, etc.

Or just get a 2005+ X to start with, that comes with most of the extra HP you're talking about, stock...and modifying from that point forward instead, etc.


Or

Do a SC version with some pulley mods, etc...to take the HP up where you want it, w/o needing to essentially build a new truck from scratch, etc?

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556Tactical

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Well I think part of it is just being a dream. Along time ago when I was really young my dad took me to a race where I got to see a skyline in action. Ever since I have been addicted to RB motors, nismo, and nissan in general. So I learned everything I could about them and became obsessed. On the flip side of things I grew up down south in the country so off-roading became my nature. I think this is my way of combining the two together. It might take me 50 years. It might even seem stupid to dump that kind of money into it when I could probably buy something brand new off the lot for a tenth of the cost. But it's something that excites me. As far as steering and cooling and all the fabs. I'll either do it myself or take it to a shop. A SAS does seem practical. As far as front end goes unless I'm putting the R34 front end on it. ( not going to happen) lol. I want it to stay looking like an X. Let's all hope I win the lotto.

So in conclusion I'm going to have a Nissan Skyline GTR R34 (unlikely) or I will one day own a Nissan Xterra SE powered by the RB26DETT. [emoji41]


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TJTJ

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Well I think part of it is just being a dream. Along time ago when I was really young my dad took me to a race where I got to see a skyline in action. Ever since I have been addicted to RB motors, nismo, and nissan in general. So I learned everything I could about them and became obsessed. On the flip side of things I grew up down south in the country so off-roading became my nature. I think this is my way of combining the two together. It might take me 50 years. It might even seem stupid to dump that kind of money into it when I could probably buy something brand new off the lot for a tenth of the cost. But it's something that excites me. As far as steering and cooling and all the fabs. I'll either do it myself or take it to a shop. A SAS does seem practical. As far as front end goes unless I'm putting the R34 front end on it. ( not going to happen) lol. I want it to stay looking like an X. Let's all hope I win the lotto.

So in conclusion I'm going to have a Nissan Skyline GTR R34 (unlikely) or I will one day own a Nissan Xterra SE powered by the RB26DETT. [emoji41]


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I get it.

OK, sounds like a plan then.

If going for a SAS'd version to simplify the front end mods, then go for more torque when doing the engine and drive train to compensate.
 

556Tactical

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That's actually the upside of the inline 6. They can prduce tons of torque. Possibly more then what the drive shaft and axles can handle if I really start tweaking the RB. The downside is turbos will give it more high end torque. So I'll have to do some research to get the high torque lower in the power band with out switching to supercharger. I'll just have to see what size turbos will get me there.


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I love the idea of having a straight 6. It's a torque machine. However, unless you really have a pension for breaking things, turbos on a trail truck is a bad idea in my opinion. You hardly ever rev high enough to use them and if you are revving that high, you're likely to break something. If you really want more bang for the buck on a 1st gen, either supercharge it w/ the factory setup, do a VQ45 swap, or a small block American swap.

For what it's worth, I'm also on the same page for the R34. Far and away my favorite Skyline.
 

556Tactical

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I know turbo are lacking in the offroad area but it's got to be an RB26DETT. Which means I gotta keep the TTs lol. I just have to figure out how to make it work.
 
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TJTJ

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I know turbo are lacking in the offroad area but it's got to be an RB26DETT. Which means I gotta keep the TTs lol. I just have to figure out how to make it work.

Yeah, quicker spool up would help.

The main problem for a turbo off road is that you are essentially idling over things most of the time. To have the rpm needed for a turbo to add to the fun, you'd need very very low gearing, say an atlas t-case/doublers, etc to get the 4wd lo rpm up as high as possible, plus low diff gearing, etc.

For the turbos themselves, a wee one to spool up first maybe?

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