LED light bars

[yellowx16]

just sold my round roof lights, and I'm looking to get a LED light bar now. I have rigid industries duallys and love them, but I can't afford to spend 1000 on a light, so I have a few questions about the Chinese made bars...my main choices right now are between a totron 30" double row (Cree LEDS) vs. an eBay light bar that has epistar LEDS. here are links to both.http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?sbk=1&nav=SEARCH&itemId=360716144618

http://www.totron.com/products/deta...nch-180w-cree-10-30v-double-row-led-light-bar
so...are the CREE LEDs worth the extra cost? what are the positives of one vs the other? the eBay bar supposedly has a 2 year warranty and the totron has a 1 year. I've figured out based on the measurements of the housings that the totron and eBay bar are same in that respect, and the internals are the only difference. price between these two isn't too big of a deal, but the totron would be about $80 more in the end. I can't afford an ironman bar or else I probably would have already gotten one. any help/info is appreciated!

 

[drbandkgb]

Yes Cree LEDs are better.. I own a couple China LEDs and a good ironman4x4 led. The quality is night and day.. The ironman is a nice plug and play led bar. You will need to order a eBay led wiring harness 20.00 but either way you will need this.

The brightness is night and day too..

The ironman that xterraperformance.com offers are affordable as well..
I have a 20" bar on my Xterra and I have one ready to install for kgb xterra

 

[yellowx16]

well I already have my wiring from my previous lights, if I just get the right connector for the end I could reuse that wiring right? and I'd really like a 30" bar to sit right between my roof rack rails. I got roughly a 200 dollar budget, that's the only reason I can't do the ironman bar.

 

[AZhiAZiAM]

a lot of guys down here and cali deal with gglighting.com i've never personally dealt with them nor do i know which leds they sale, but they are bright as helland they have pretty decent prices as well. i just don't understand how they sell for what 10bucks or so an inch? way more if you have a name like rigid.

 

[yellowx16]

thanks I'll check them out!

 

[yellowx16]

looks like they are pretty pricey, but have some nice stuff. what kind of LEDs are in the hanma bars? I've heard good things about the epistar LEDs, but not as good as Cree. is it just a light output difference, or is it a lifespan, durability difference also?

 

[AZhiAZiAM]

if you looked up Totron i believe its the same as hanma, that's on the notion that hanma and totron are sister companies. if i recall from someone telling us that when we did group buys.

 

[yellowx16]

ahh ok cool, good to know.

 

[drbandkgb]

if you looked up Totron i believe its the same as hanma, that's on the notion that hanma and totron are sister companies. if i recall from someone telling us that when we did group buys.

Yeah basically the same led.

Ironman has a 7" bar that you can add to it to make a larger bar. So you can go larger as your wallet allows

 

[AZhiAZiAM]

Yeah basically the same led.

Ironman has a 7" bar that you can add to it to make a larger bar. So you can go larger as your wallet allows

that really interests me because i'm going for a different look on my bumper and needed different size led bars.

 

[yellowx16]

so would it be worth going with a non-Cree led light bar? or should I just give up the cash and get a bar with Cree LEDs?

 

[drbandkgb]

so would it be worth going with a non-Cree led light bar? or should I just give up the cash and get a bar with Cree LEDs?

Really to me it's been more about the quality vs light. The china made bars will rust up.. Leak.. And maybe in the end not be saving much.

 

[xterror04]

Cree or nothing... I have a 12" totron and 2 of the dually style totron a on my truck.. I also just added the. 7" ironman the iron man is 10x's brighter then the other three on at the same time.. For $300 the ironman 30" is a steal if you want something now id get this
https://xterraperformance.3dcartstores.com/mobile/Ironman-4X4-20-60W-LED-Light-Bar_p_51.html
It's a bit smaller but will still fit in the space well... I also have a rigid light and the ironman quality blows the others out of the water

 

[yellowx16]

do the totrons you have have Cree LEDs? the 30" single row from totron I have been comparing to the 30" ironman single row have identical specs, but I have seen a lot more positive reviews about the ironman LEDs on here. I think I'm leaning more toward the double row style light bars, does ironman offer double rows?

 

[RATTFINK]

Love my 30" Ironman LED light bar.

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FAR, FAR AWAY

 

[xterror04]

No I don't believe ironman has double row lights but the LEDs are a higher wattage...

 

[xterror04]

And my totron a are supposed to be cree

 

[xterror04]

The difference is that the ironman uses 5w LEDs and the totron uses 3w

 

[yellowx16]

I see the double row totron uses 3W Cree LEDs, but supposedly the single row is supposed to use 5W Cree. is this the kind your totron Is "supposed" to have? just wondering if totron is basically just falsely advertising...

 

[TKDx00]

Does anyone have a price list for the ironman led's or I need to contact them directly? Can't find prices on the web site.

 

[TN4x4Xterra]

Does anyone have a price list for the ironman led's or I need to contact them directly? Can't find prices on the web site.

http://www.xterranation.org/showthread.php?4138-Post-NXM-Special-Ironman-4x4-LED-lights

GB going on right now

 

[xterror04]

I see the double row totron uses 3W Cree LEDs, but supposedly the single row is supposed to use 5W Cree. is this the kind your totron Is "supposed" to have? just wondering if totron is basically just falsely advertising...

Mine has the 3w crew LEDs...I'm sure they are really Cree, I mean they work great but comparing them to the higher watt ironman they definatley don't hold comparison...

 

[xterror04]

Does anyone have a price list for the ironman led's or I need to contact them directly? Can't find prices on the web site.

They are from Australia so contacting direct can be hard... Best thing to do is go to www.xterraperformance.com

 

[TKDx00]

They are from Australia so contacting direct can be hard... Best thing to do is go to www.xterraperformance.com

ok since he sells both Ironman and Rigid... what are the differences in the products besides price?

Keep in mind I'm an old school kinda guy and don't know the big difference between LED's and conventional spot/flood lighting other than less battery drain for LED's. I've got a second battery that lights are connected to. what's the advantage in buying all new lighting? Don't get me wrong, the new styled LED's look great and I'll most likely get some in the future...just curious right now.

 

[Prime]

All of the Hanma's I order from China I make sure to order w/ the CREE LEDs. They are available with the EpiStar LEDs but the CREEs are so much brighter.

 

[mudchet]

ok since he sells both Ironman and Rigid... what are the differences in the products besides price?

Keep in mind I'm an old school kinda guy and don't know the big difference between LED's and conventional spot/flood lighting other than less battery drain for LED's. I've got a second battery that lights are connected to. what's the advantage in buying all new lighting? Don't get me wrong, the new styled LED's look great and I'll most likely get some in the future...just curious right now.

LED's vs Halogens
- LED's draw less amps for the same amount of light (lumens), so less drain on your battery
- LED's are generally smaller in physical size than halogen's that produce the same light
- LED's generate less heat than halogen's that produce the same light. Having said that, they still can get hot, so don't think they wont.
- LED's last longer than halogens (based on bulb replacement intervals. This argument based on internet literature, not own data)

 

[Prime]

Bulb life is not merely backed up by Internet literature. The MTBF (Mean Time Between Failure) for a typical halogen bulb is in the 2-3000 operating hours range. If you're lucky. Realistically closer to 1000 hours. LEDs can go 10-30000 operational hours. The MTBF of an LED is significantly influenced by heat management and size of the diode. Larger diodes require more heat dicipation which tends to make them burn out faster. Smaller diodes very well might run forever. But larger diodes produce more light. So it is a balancing act.

 

[GPD605X]

I'm seriously debating on getting rid of my Xoskel and 4 KC's and getting into the LED's. I'm looking at Totron LED's. Deltaphi has a 40" bar that fits directly onto the 2nd Gen's existing rack bolts so you don't even need a bar. I won't be using them as often as most, mostly on back roads and what not. My KC's are 100w each and from what I've been told, I would need at least 8 gauge wire and 4 relays and all of this stuff. LED's would be so much easier to wire up. I don't feel comfortable with electrical work and had a local shop quote me at like $200 to wire it up and everything... With me already having over $300 just on the Xoskel Bar and Lights, I'm tempted to just sell it all and go LED and wiring that up would be pretty simple... Decisions Decisions...

 

[drbandkgb]

Dude.. eBay.. Search LED wiring harness.
I paid 20.oo and it was all plug in play.

 

[Jack Stilts]

I'm seriously debating on getting rid of my Xoskel and 4 KC's and getting into the LED's.

I'm in the exact same boat, man. I think more and more people are going to be switching to LED now that they're becoming more wallet-friendly and commonly available.

 

[yellowx16]

Do it! I sold my light bar and Pro Comps, took about a month but got a decent price, I'm sure someone would buy them. Does anyone have any experience with a totron double row 30"? i will not be going with Ironman LEDs, I've compared the single row bar vs a totron single row and they are exactly identical. 5W Cree LEDS, same housing , same wattage, same beam pattern and color temperature, i can just get a hold of the totron for much cheaper. I would really like the totron 30" double row though, so if anyone has one let me know what you think!

 

[TN4x4Xterra]

Do it! I sold my light bar and Pro Comps, took about a month but got a decent price, I'm sure someone would buy them. Does anyone have any experience with a totron double row 30"? i will not be going with Ironman LEDs, I've compared the single row bar vs a totron single row and they are exactly identical. 5W Cree LEDS, same housing , same wattage, same beam pattern and color temperature, i can just get a hold of the totron for much cheaper. I would really like the totron 30" double row though, so if anyone has one let me know what you think!

Wiseguy has 30" double row led bar.

 

[GPD605X]

I'd have to go and measure the rack bolts to see what I'm working with. I would rather not have to buy a bar to put em on. It would be really nice to just use existing bolt holes w/ longer screws. I wouldn't mind 2 10's or 2 15's

 

[drbandkgb]

I had to give my PIAA away lol..

 

[TKDx00]

I can't justify the cost right now. Too many other thing going on with Steena and the family. I guess I'll wait til these burn out then replace them w/ the LED's

 

[Xterraforce]

There's always the option I went with. I wanted a 40 inch LED bar but I love my Xoskel so I modified it to work with the bar.

 

[yellowx16]

xterraforce, is yours a totron?

 

[Xterraforce]

xterraforce, is yours a totron?

No, mine is from MIC Tuning. After doing some research I found they are the Chinese company that supplies many of the other Chinese companies with the housings and other parts for LED light bars. The main difference is MIC uses CREE for their own bars and most (like mine) have IP68 rating. So far so good. We'll see how it holds up in the long run. It appears to be well built and sealed.

 

[TJTJ]

No, mine is from MIC Tuning. After doing some research I found they are the Chinese company that supplies many of the other Chinese companies with the housings and other parts for LED light bars. The main difference is MIC uses CREE for their own bars and most (like mine) have IP68 rating. So far so good. We'll see how it holds up in the long run. It appears to be well built and sealed.

The IP68 rating is very good, and includes submersion capability in addition to the normal dust resistance ratings.

MOST HID and halogen lights are not submersible, at all.

 

[Pro-2X]

The IP68 rating is very good, and includes submersion capability in addition to the normal dust resistance ratings.

MOST HID and halogen lights are not submersible, at all.

This is very good information, but if I ever submerge my KCs, I have bigger problems than the lights...