- Location
- Amarillo, TX
Well, apparently para is the opposite, started off crap and now are phenomenal...
Who has CCP and willing to tell about it?
- Thread starter tommyboy
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Well, apparently para is the opposite, started off crap and now are phenomenal...
Pro-2X
Suspension Lift
- Location
- Rockmart, GA
Don't leave FN out of the discussion. I have never found a single complaint with any of my FN products. They even make the FNS for those of you who prefer striker fire over a hammer. In my opinion FN is the finest firearm manufacturer no matter what it is you are looking for. In basic training my M16 was an FN and then after basic I had the M249 SAW manufactured by FN. My last FN pistol was stolen and to replace it quickly I bought an EAA Witness cheap, but I am just saving up for a new FNX-9.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
Fn does make some awesome firearms, I just don't know if they make any compact/subcompact and how comfortable they are to conceal...(still trying to find a decent holster for my 1911)
Quit messing around and get aTT Gunleather.
- Location
- Denver Adjacent
It's nice to be around so many people that are non-glock.
My complaint with glock is the same one I have about my Smith and Wesson. Its only a trigger safety and that's why I almost never take my pistol out of the holster. It literally live in either my concealed holster or if I'm at home its in the normal holster on the night stand.
Sent from my mansion in Grouchland.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
Link?
- Location
- Denver Adjacent
Doesn't bother me, personally. Neither my S&W or HK have any mechanical safety.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
I have a wee one, that alone qualifies that I must have more than just trigger. A decocker, grip, or any other safety. All are fine, but it must have something.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
Are you serious??? $110+ shipping?!?!
I'm not so worried about a mechanical safety I prefer grip safety.
Sent from my mansion in Grouchland.
they really don't make any cc guns that i found. but man there guns are fun as hell to shoot, i got my eyes on a fn 45 tactical such an awesome gun.
Jeez I thought my crossbreed was expensive.
Pro-2X
Suspension Lift
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- Rockmart, GA
my FNP-9 concealed VERY well. I had in IWB holster in the small of my back. Most of the time I just open carry in a fobus on my right hip though.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
If only OC was legal in TX...
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
I'd consider one but, I want an all leather holster, no marring the finish of my 1911...
Worth every penny. Once you get a good one you will realize that the cheaper ones are inferior. You'll wish you saved the money from all the cheap ones and bought a good one in the first place.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
Ok, I'll bite, what makes that holster (which doesn't account for having to tuck a shirt from what I can tell) and an equivalent all leather IWB holster, or, the crossbreed like Diadaga was referring to?
After all, I'm holster shopping, sell me on it
- Location
- Denver Adjacent
Best IWB holster that I have.
http://www.comp-tac.com/catalog.php?cPath=28&osCsid=3t8sf7pis4fbe6t7gs672jojd0
http://www.comp-tac.com/catalog.php?cPath=28&osCsid=3t8sf7pis4fbe6t7gs672jojd0
Ok, I'll bite, what makes that holster (which doesn't account for having to tuck a shirt from what I can tell) and an equivalent all leather IWB holster, or, the crossbreed like Diadaga was referring to?
After all, I'm holster shopping, sell me on it
Which one are you looking at from TT? They have a lot of offerings.
Quality, retention, wear, concealability, belt fit/wear, beltloops, longevity, comfort.
Seriously, I threw my others in the trash. I kept only one other holster that is a hybrid from SHTF. Get something made specifically for your firearm - aka molded and handcrafted for it. I realize there are a lot more generalized holsters for 1911's because they are common. It might not be worth the money when you can buy off the shelf. I had to accomodate my HK's and other than other high end makers there is no equivalent.
I don't tuck a shirt over mine. Shirt inside maybe and a loose shirt over. I have the Slim XC and it is amazing.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
I was looking at the standard slim, but, they're all high as hell on price, and none of em looked to be the type to allow tucking a shirt in...
Kydex is completely out of the question, as I don't want shiny wear marks on my 1911, if I get one for my XD it'll be Kydex...
I personally will never buy a cheap/inexpensive holster again. $110 is worth it for the right holster. You can always call Tim Thurner (the TT in TT Gunleather) and chat about tuckable options. He was always a pleasure to talk with and knowledgable when I was ordering.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
....110 isn't worth it if the 40 or 50 holster does all of the same things that the 110 one does...
jmnielsen
Need Bigger Tires
- Location
- Lincoln, NE
The last thing I want to do if I need to pull my gun to save my life is forget about a stupid safety. I personally know about 40 people that CCW Glocks with no issue. I don't care who you are if you are disciplined and you practice and train with your pistol then there should be no issue with just the trigger safety. If your finger ain't on the trigger it can't be pulled. That's no "bullsh!t" either. I understand it isn't for everyone but that doesn't mean it's not true if it's not for you. Its one if the 4 rules about firearm safety...
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
I don't own guns for "what if I have to pull it", my requirements of safety are for the time when I'm not carrying it on my person. I have a 2, almost 3 year old. I'm not willing to risk her safety to make a gun easier to use if I have to pull it.
That said, the same argument you have FOR a glock works against them. Training goes both ways. Once it's muscle memory to thumb the safety off while drawing, and on while holstering, it's a non-issue...
If you can't thumb the safety while drawing it and coming on target, train more. Buy a snap-cap and simply draw and fire at random around the house while dropping the safety as you do so...
Agreed muscle memory works both ways. I'm not one of those people that thinks my gun will magically fire on its on. Personally I prefer grip safeties because the reinforce proper technique and prevent firing without it.
Sent from my mansion in Grouchland.
jmnielsen
Need Bigger Tires
- Location
- Lincoln, NE
I realize muscle memory works both ways. And yes some people have kids they are worried about. All I'm saying is your gun won't fire if your finger isn't in the trigger, and that's not some "BS" claim to praise Glocks- it's a fact that is applied to all firearms.
Completely agree something has to pull it push the trigger. One thing I haven't looked into though is if you drop a striker fired pistol will it go off.
Sent from my mansion in Grouchland.
Pro-2X
Suspension Lift
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- Rockmart, GA
If the striker Is under tension and it is a hard enough drop to overcome the sear...yes it will fire. That much is a fact. If stored energy is given an outlet, it will go. Same thing as dropping a single action with the hammer engaged.
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- Smyrna, TN
We carry M&P40s at work. Some of these idiots have never handled a firearm until they get hired. I've seen one get dropped onto concrete from waist high and not go off...however, I DID see a bunch of us (myself included) ducking for cover.
I have no desire to drop any of my pistols to find out.
jmnielsen
Need Bigger Tires
- Location
- Lincoln, NE
You guys need to look up how striker fire pistols work. It's like a double action. Pulling the trigger pulls the firing pin back and then releases it when the trigger breaks. The gun won't fire from getting dropped.... If it did you would have a majorly defective pistol.
- Location
- Denver Adjacent
Pretty much this. There would have to be a catastrophic malfunction of the trigger and sear mechanisms to make a striker fired weapon go off when dropped. Specifically, the trigger has to move in order for the sear to disengage and release the firing pin. No trigger movement, no firing pin, no bullet.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
Fixed that...most accidental/negligent discharges I've seen in glocks were when something other than a finger got hung up on the trigger while holstering.
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
Glock and XD/XDm/XDs all claim to have a firing pin block safety mechanism that supposedly only drops right before the sear disengages. So, with your better striker guns theoretically it won't accidentally discharge if dropped... (I know I've tried to get such an instance out of my XD40, and was completely unable to get the firing pin to drop on the cartridge causing primer ignition...
- Location
- Amarillo, TX
Nowdays it depends on the mfgr. As some use a firing pin block safety....
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- Amarillo, TX
Um...no, no it doesn't, only on striker fired pistols with a decocker, to the best of my knowledge, does it function like that. Otherwise the striker is cocked when the round is chambered. The trigger is typically SA on most striker fired guns.
I know for a fact that XD's are SA, as their striker indicator pin sticks out of the back of the slide when the gun is cocked, which is always if a round is in.
jmnielsen
Need Bigger Tires
- Location
- Lincoln, NE
Skip to 55 seconds in.
[video=youtube;LE2qX053vk0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE2qX053vk0[/video]
[video=youtube;LE2qX053vk0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE2qX053vk0[/video]
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- Amarillo, TX
Your video shows exactly what I said.
1. Slide is racked and round is chambered
1a. Slide moves to the rear, ejecting spent casing (if present) and allowing the next cartridge to move into the action.
1b. On the forward stroke of the slide, the round is pulled from the feed lips of the magazine and pushed up the feed ramp into the chamber and the striker is locked back, into the firing position
2. Trigger pull
2a. Finger is placed on the trigger, operating trigger block safety
2b. Trigger pulled, just before sear disengagement firing pin safety is moved clear of the path of the striker/firing pin, sear is disengaged, which drops striker/firing pin
3. Round fires
3a. Striker impacts primer, causing it to fire
3b. Primer ignites powder, which drives the bullet from the casing and down the barrel
3c. Recoil force from powder explosion drives slide backward, starting Step 1 again.
If the glock were DA, there would be no need for the passive firing pin block safety.
1. Slide is racked and round is chambered
1a. Slide moves to the rear, ejecting spent casing (if present) and allowing the next cartridge to move into the action.
1b. On the forward stroke of the slide, the round is pulled from the feed lips of the magazine and pushed up the feed ramp into the chamber and the striker is locked back, into the firing position
2. Trigger pull
2a. Finger is placed on the trigger, operating trigger block safety
2b. Trigger pulled, just before sear disengagement firing pin safety is moved clear of the path of the striker/firing pin, sear is disengaged, which drops striker/firing pin
3. Round fires
3a. Striker impacts primer, causing it to fire
3b. Primer ignites powder, which drives the bullet from the casing and down the barrel
3c. Recoil force from powder explosion drives slide backward, starting Step 1 again.
If the glock were DA, there would be no need for the passive firing pin block safety.
jmnielsen
Need Bigger Tires
- Location
- Lincoln, NE
1b = wrong. The striker is not locked back into firing position. It may be partially cocked but it is NOT in firing position and if it were to be dropped and the firing pin released would not fire the weapon. Glocks and other striker fired pistols are neither double action nor single action. Not only is it NOT in the firing position, Glock has a "drop safety" on top of the trigger safety and firing pin safety. Redundancy helps prevent any misfires no matter the circumstances.
Read this.
http://us.glock.com/technology/safe-action
Don't know why you won't listen to anyone but there is nothing but facts backing my statements. Believe me or not I do not care, just want people to be fed the truth and not misinformation by someone that does not fully understand the function of a specific firearm.
Read this.
http://us.glock.com/technology/safe-action
Don't know why you won't listen to anyone but there is nothing but facts backing my statements. Believe me or not I do not care, just want people to be fed the truth and not misinformation by someone that does not fully understand the function of a specific firearm.