Warn Tarbor 9k winch

Lucky_lefty

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IL
I have a chance to get one of these for 175.00 and it works fine. Is there anything to be worried about with this winch. I know TJTJ will hopefully chime in and anyone else that knows. BTW this will be my first winch. here is a link. I told the guy I will buy it as long as it fits in the shrock bumper. If I get it I will post pics as soon as I get it and get it mounted.

http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/src/tabor_9k.shtml
 

Macland

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IMO $175 is a bargain. The only thing I would change would be the wire rope to synthetic and that's just from what I've learned from this forum, not experience. But I will reiterate that I have no experience with winches.
 

Lucky_lefty

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IL
Mac neiter do I, I do plan on getting rope for it, he said he only used it twice. if it warms up outside today I will go to my bumper and measure to see if it fits, on shrocks site they say up to 9500 winch.
 

Lucky_lefty

Bought an X
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IL
whats a good synthetic rope, and does it have to be 5/16th like the line that is on there? I am leaning towards Amsteel. I plan on picking up the winch on the 28th and ordering the synthetic rope that weekend. War rope is expensive and I cant find a deal on the masterpull stuff. I jave no knowledge about this stuff.
 

TomsRedX

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Lancaster, Pa
The duty cycle looks to be on the low end of the spectrum. This means you need to careful not to over work the winch and toast the motor.

Master Pull makes synthetic line and you get a 10% discount in you join the NEXterra.org forum.
 
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ryandavenport

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If you don't plan on using it much, the synthetic line may not be worth the investment. It is slightly safer, and its also much lighter, which is good for the front suspension of the 1st gens, but its also fairly expensive. I would see how you like the steel cable first and then decide if the money is wise to spend on a synthetic line. There are quite a few people who have never operated winches, and they automatically assume that they need synthetic cable. Winching has been done for a while now with steel cable, and if done correctly, it isn't as dangerous as most people make it out to be. Sure, there are freak accidents, but I just think that you should consider cost vs. use.
 

Lucky_lefty

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IL
When I say I dont plan on using it much I meant I dpnt plan on getting stuck, I have build this thing pretty well and I dont think getting stuck is an option.
 

TomsRedX

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Lancaster, Pa
One long pull can toast the motor if you don't let it cool down during the pull. Not saying its a bad winch, you just need to use it wisely to get years of trouble free use.
 

TJTJ

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NJ
LOL

If you're not getting stuck you are not challenging yourself.

The FUN is in seeing the LIMITS of what you can do....and you need to at least bump against the limits to know where they ARE.

Its like in racing, I used to design/set up suspensions for racing...and some people wanted to race vintage stuff, like Bug Eye Sprites and Saab Sonnets, etc...because the limits were lower on old iron, and you could HOWL around turns in four wheel drifts hell bent for leather at speeds that you could actually survive a screw up.....IE: The fun started at a reasonable speed.

Others wanted nothing but raw speed, and would have to race in a higher class....and their cars would be boring as hell at the same speeds the others were barely holding on at, and they had to go MUCH faster to get THEIR cars to a fun point.....

...and OTHERS had the MONEY to REALLY blast along, and they could make BOTH of those other guys rides look like pylons as they blew by them on the same track.....but they'd be bored to tears at pylon speeds, as their cars were not even close to being challenged at those rates, etc.


So, even if you are building a rock buggy that is also a swamp buggy, on gummy custom earth mover tires, with active suspension, blah blah blah...you will get stuck if you are doing it RIGHT.

If you'll never get stuck, you are WASTING your mods.

:D


MasterPull is the best winch line from what I've seen.

As mentioned, if you want to save $, use the steep rope, and be careful.


A winch is like insurance, so, if you're the guy that would pay less for a health insurance policy, if they gave a discount on the policy for people who agreed to spin a wheel to determine the percent of 0 to 100% coverage you'd get on each claim....

...then a cheap winch is cool.


My rule of thumb is that you simply determine if you will ever NEED a winch...IE: Will NOT having a winch ever be a problem. If you wheel were you ar who you wheel with getting stuck would mean missing work the next day, or being stranded in the boonies overnight, or having the tide come in and submerge a rig, and so forth...then a cheap winch is a bad investment.

If you wheel where you never NEED a winch, you could just not GET a winch, as you don't NEED one....or, get a winch-like thing to weigh down your bumper and look winch-like at the mall parking lot, etc.

That way, if you (or another rig you're with) get stuck, it just doesn't MATTER if it doesn't work.

:D

That Tabor has a manual that says if the winch gets submerged, you need to send it in for service, as it will then corrode.

So, that means you'd take it off to wheel in wet locations...unfortunately, those are the kinds of locations you need a winch in sometimes.


The duty cycle looks like its ~ as low as it can go, and it looks like it is pulling ~ 4.5 feet per minute under load.

If its as bad as it looks, if it needs say 14 minutes of cooling for every 2 minutes of winching...



That means that a simple 50' recovery would mean:

2 min at 4.5 fpm = 9', then rest for 14 min. (9' done so far) = 16 minutes spent so far

2 min at 4.5 fpm = 9', then rest for 14 min. (18' done so far) = 32 minutes spent so far

2 min at 4.5 fpm = 9', then rest for 14 min. (27' done so far) = 48 minutes spent so far

2 min at 4.5 fpm = 9', then rest for 14 min. (36' done so far) = 64 minutes spent so far

2 min at 4.5 fpm = 9', then rest for 14 min. (45' done so far) = 80 minutes spent so far

1 min at 4.5 fpm = 4.5', FINALLY DONE. (Close enough...) = Almost an hour and a half to do one 50' recovery.




Do the same 50' recovery with a high duty cycle winch pulling ~ 10 fpm:

5 minutes at 10 fpm - DONE

:D


So, you are out with yer budz, and someone gets stuck...and you guys lose an hour and a half getting unstuck, instead of 5 minutes.


Takes a lot of the fun out of a day if you lose that much wheeling time....and it takes a lot of the fun out of the day if you have to choose such safe routes that you never get stuck too.


So, there's really no WRONG answer, but, there are ALWAYS compromises....PRICE - VS - RELIABILITY and SPEED
 
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Lucky_lefty

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H have never seen a winch with a good duty cycle, so I am going to go with this one. Where I wheel there is no water just mud.
 

TJTJ

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H have never seen a winch with a good duty cycle, so I am going to go with this one. Where I wheel there is no water just mud.


That's kind of retarded.

The never having seen a winch with a good duty cycle (There are TONS of them)...and "there's no water, just mud".

Both parts.

:D

Mud is water with dirt in in it, its just very dirty water that does the same thing to electronics as water...but can also add some grit to grind things/increase wear related damage as well.

ONE example of a winch with a good duty cycle is the Warn 9.5xp.....you can pull your buddies out of jams all day long w/o a hiccup.

:D


If, instead of what you said, you said something more like "I don't care, I just want to buy this one because its cheap and in front of me"....I would not have had a problem with your statement.

:D
 

Lucky_lefty

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IL
Well the reason I am going with this one is, because it is cheap and available, I think it would a good first winch to figure out haw to do it. akso I was thinking if I buy the rear winch bumper from custom concepts I acan put it on the rear bumper and upgrade the front one. the tabor retails for something 500-600 so for starters I think it will do.
 

drbandkgb

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Dan to me rear winches are just dumb.. Unless your extreme wheeling you would most likely never use it...
Plus the added weight..

When I bought mine I looked at my needs and wallet.. I feel I balanced it.. Over all tj is one the money about it all.. To me it comes down to can you afford a caddy or a Honda.. I could only afford the Honda


Sent from the satellite of love..
 

xearth

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Dan to me rear winches are just dumb.. Unless your extreme wheeling you would most likely never use it...
Plus the added weight..

When I bought mine I looked at my needs and wallet.. I feel I balanced it.. Over all tj is one the money about it all.. To me it comes down to can you afford a caddy or a Honda.. I could only afford the Honda


Sent from the satellite of love..

I kind of have been kicking around the idea of a winch in the rear (giggity), the majority of the times I have gotten stuck I've gotten pulled out backwards rather than further into it. Those have all been obstacles I maybe shouldn't have tried, but wanted to see what the X could do.

Not saying I'm doing it for sure, but just that the thought has crossed my mind
 

Jmac289gt

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Dickinson, TX
I would like to have a winch but can't afford a good one so im not getting one until I can, but I also never wheel alone so I don't think I really need one, so the money VS the need is what makes me say I will probably not get one. Think about this purchase and ask yourself how important it is, you don't want to waste your time or money on something that doesn't really work that great when you do need it, that is just my thoughts.

BOTTUM LINE: If it is that important to you to have one then getting a good one is more important.
 

Lucky_lefty

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a winch is and isnt important, I would like one just to have in case of an emergency. TJ what are some good ones so I wouldnt be winching all day to get out of a hole.
 

TJTJ

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NJ
a winch is and isnt important, I would like one just to have in case of an emergency. TJ what are some good ones so I wouldnt be winching all day to get out of a hole.


Look at the speed under load specs for a winch. For our rigs, if you go in mud, a 9,500 lb winch is a reasonable minimum....as mud can easily double the weight resistance (Pulling 5k lb can take 10k lb of force, etc...), and most mounts for an X can't reliably hold much more than that anyway.

The faster the line speed UNDER LOAD, the better.

This makes it take less TIME to recover you/your stuck Buddy.


Get a series wound motor, NOT a Permanent Magnet Motor, as, despite some advertising to the contrary (Lies), a PM motor is more delicate, and, pulls less hard as load builds, sometimes dropping to half or less of its rated capacity. (A winch with a PM motor rated at ~ 9,500 lb might only pull at ~ 4,750 lb with the drum spooled, etc....and that might NOT BE over your RIG'S WEIGHT, let alone enough to get it free, etc)





Then, look at the duty cycle if you can (Harder info to find).

That tells you how long you CAN PULL at a time...

If its fast enough, it can COMPLETE the pull before it runs out of time....if its too slow, it might mean you waiting for it to cool off between tries, etc.

Generally, under load, something around 6-7 feet per minute is reasonable. The No-Load #'s can be anywhere, but, generally, as the line can be free spooled anyway, its not as useful a #.

The Smittybuilt X2O series is not bad, you'd want the X2O10 not 8 though if doing mud, as the 8 is kind of light to pull you from a sucking mud situation. If no mud is involved, the 8 is faster, and will have just enough juice to do the job....most of the time (Its load capacity drops to ~ 4,700 -ish lb when spooled...too close to your rig's actual weight when loaded up, armored, etc.)


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Notice that the more rope is in the drum, the less weight the winch can pull. That's because the line spooled on the drum makes the drum "Fatter", like a larger gear, which can be faster, but, not as strong in pull.


The Warns main line winches are top of the line generally, they don't lose near as much power as the line spools, etc....but, their economy versions, in my view thus far, skimp on the same things their competitors skimped on to undercut Warn's pricing in the first place.

Warn is just a "name"....its what's INSIDE THE WINCH that counts, not what's printed on it. If its a Warn made like a traditional Warn, great, its worth it in my opinion.

If you are considering an economy version, Tabor, VR, etc...I'm not as sure its the same deal....and now competitive companies' products can make a reasonable comparison.

Smittybuilt is under new leadership, and seems to be upping their game. The X2O series is a good example of that, as they STRESS how well its sealed...in answer to their top of the line model BEFORE that being INfamous for corrosion and failing due to poor sealing.

IE: If they are working to earn our business, I'm all for encouraging it.

:D
 
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