To titan swap or not to titan swap

njnewb Nov 2, 2016

  1. njnewb

    njnewb Test Drive

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    So this is sort of a run on from my last post about the leaf springs. Thinking of going with 3in alcans, and trying to decide what to do with the front. Spend a lot of money to redo the front, or spend some more and do a titan swap. Are they as complicated as they seem? And is it even worth it. My xterra is my daily driver and to the mountains and back roads on the weekends. What are your guys opinions?

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  2. Muadeeb

    Muadeeb Bastard Admin from Hell Admin

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    How is this a question? If you considering doing a TS, just jeffing do it! Better diff and kick ass stance.

    Now, if someone has actual reasons other than appearance, let's hear it.
     
  3. njnewb

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    Haha I guess I should be asking if the juice worth the squeeze? How much more difficult/spendy is it than just doing a normal suspension lift


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  4. JeffPro4x

    JeffPro4x Titan Swapped / SAS'd Moderator Supporting Member

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    Increase track width for stability? Check.
    Increase wheel travel? Check.
    Stronger diff? Check.
    Easier to change axles? Check.
    Just badass looking? Check.

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  5. JeffPro4x

    JeffPro4x Titan Swapped / SAS'd Moderator Supporting Member

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    I wish I had just gone TS, instead of fiddling around.

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  6. njnewb

    njnewb Test Drive

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    I just watched a video and the suspension parts seem easy, but that diff. Change seems like a bit of a challenge. Just seems like way more I'd have to buy

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  7. Fromfrontier2Xterra

    Fromfrontier2Xterra I spend more money on comic books than my X Super Moderator Supporting Member

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    Real questions are;

    Budget?

    TS isn't cheap. Depending on route look to spend 2 to 5k if not more depending on various choices.

    Reasoning?

    If you're looking to crawl with the big boys on a semi regular to regular basis, justified. If you just use it for easy to semi difficult trails or over landing, it's not justified IMO. You can build an extremely capable x with out doing TS. Give us more insight on what exactly you're looking to do with it and we can point you in the best direction.
     
  8. njnewb

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    My apologies should of justified, I think a TS might be a little out of my zone, while it would be badass, I don't think I'll use it to its potential. My x I just want it to be a reliable daily driver, and then able to hit the woods when needed. No major rock crawling I plan on, but it would be nice if I needed to, then again, a normal x suspension lift with some wheel spacers would give me (generally) the same wheel distance without the TS travel right?

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  9. njnewb

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    My budget is kind of what ever right now, living at home with no rent for a while so I have some disposable income

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  10. Fromfrontier2Xterra

    Fromfrontier2Xterra I spend more money on comic books than my X Super Moderator Supporting Member

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    It will give you wider stance but not TS stance. Don't get me wrong or think I'm shooting down the idea. TS's are the tits. However, if just occasionally wheeling or basic trails for camping, it's a bit much.

    If you have alcan 3" in rear already you can get radflo extended travel coilovers up front with uca's, wheel spacers, and have a bad ass rig for what you want to do. I'd also recommend armor. An "easy" trail can turn into a "oh my god what did i do" and you'll regret not having it.

    Check out builds and pics. Currently mine and jeffs are similar to what I mentioned in paragraph 2.
     
  11. njnewb

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    No I totally agree, I get caught up in these pages and say "that looks rad I can do that!" But then reality sets in and I think maybe I don't need it. I already plan on 3in alcans in the back, looking for a good deal on coil overs and ucas for the front. And plenty of armor lol. Thank you for helping bring me back down to reality lol

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  12. njnewb

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    For those alcans, I'm in the process of ordering them now, if I plan on running just a bumper with a tire, and a little bit of gear in the back, what added weight should I get?

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  13. Fromfrontier2Xterra

    Fromfrontier2Xterra I spend more money on comic books than my X Super Moderator Supporting Member

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    Everyone varies. Tire size will play a role too. I went 450#. But I carry a lot when wheeling or camping and always have tools in back. Talk to Bob at alcan. Tell him your armor/bumper/tire plans and what you carry as well as how often. He will tell you what you need.
     
  14. njnewb

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    Ok awesome thanks a bunch for the help, hope to have pics up within the next few weeks

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  15. thecoalition

    thecoalition Call me Daddy Super Moderator Supporting Member

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    If you're not planning to do big rock crawling or running black trails I would just stick with your current diffs.
     
  16. TheFauxFox

    TheFauxFox Titan Swapped / SAS'd Founding Member

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    This.

    As for the difficulty of dropping the diff, its actually quite easy. It was much harder to remove the control arms than it was to swap out diffs.
     
  17. RikRong

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    There is also the option of using V8 Pathy axles so you can swap to an M205 without changing the suspension.

    As for the swap, I did mine for less than $2K and I used more expensive UCAs. I ended up selling my SAW extended axles and CV boots, nearly breaking even on the front diff. It's also not too hard, we got my swap done in under 5 hours, to include adjusting the rear shackles and installing the rear wheel spacers.

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  18. njnewb

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    Wow awesome thank you for the info, so you are saying I don't have to do the diff swap if I get the extensions for my axles I have now?

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    Correct, but you'll have to swap the CV ends onto the extended axles. Also keep in mind, the Toyota suspension is perfect for crawling and medium speed stuff, but it won't be the best for high speed off-road shenanigans.

    Oh, and about that travel...

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    Here, you can see compressed v. extended. The bump stop is limiting up travel a little.
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  20. njnewb

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    Yeah ill probably end up doing just the extensions. After pricing it out, without a diff swap it's almost the same price. I'm not going to be using it as a crawler, just a day to day vehicle, but if it's around the same price, why not!

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  21. GPD605X

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    @RikRong what made you go w/ the 4Runner springs instead of the Tundra ones? I'm pulling the trigger on these and with my shrock and soon to be winch in there, I would think the Tundra spring would be better due to the weight.
     
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    I went with the 4Runner spring because it was shorter. I don't have the custom top hats or the notches cut in the Bils. I'll probably be doing that in the near future, and then I'll switch to heavier springs.

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  23. GPD605X

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    @RikRong Oh ok. I gotcha. I've been reading hard about it all. I plan on getting the custom top hats made too. Do you have to notch cut the bills to do that? I saw where he cut for extra snap rings but wasn't really sure why or what the purpose was. I did see that the Tundra springs were longer but when he mentioned that their spring rate was around 650 versus the 4runners at about 500 -/+, I figured with the heaviness of the Shrock bumper it would be better to have a heavier spring rate. I do plan on getting a winch here in the near future so that's more weight to be added too
     
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  24. RikRong

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    You'll need the notches to use the custom top hats. They are designed to bring the top hat lower on the shock and increase payload, without sacrificing stroke length. The spring will sit lower, but the top nut still sits pretty high.

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  25. Prime

    Prime Some Kind of In Charge? Admin

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    I understand that using the Toyota coilovers is cheaper than buying purpose built ones for the Titan swap. But I don't get it. Is it really worth saving a few hundred dollars if you have to re-engineer and customize everything? Personally, I'd rather take advantage of the R&D done by somebody with deeper pockets than me.
     
  26. GPD605X

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    Well in my case, it's about saving money. I can get the tundra shocks and coils with the custom top hats for half of what a set of Titan swap Radflo's would cost me. Plus I need new rear suspension too. Once i get those put in, I'll send off all the Radflo's to be rebuilt. Then I'll either sell them or keep them until I need new suspension again. With the savings, I can get some nice UCA's and new rear shocks


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  27. RikRong

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    I didn't re-engineer anything. I took stock springs, a common aftermarket strut, and my stock top hats and bolted everything together. No, this isn't the greatest setup for running at speed through the desert, but it is great for everything else. Yes, it also saves a ton of money over any other setup out there.

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