Suspension lift question

RioDeColumbia Jul 27, 2015

  1. RioDeColumbia

    RioDeColumbia Bought an X

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    so I am looking into putting together a small suspension lift kit at the time and then slowly adding to it as time goes on. Currently, I am considering getting SPC ucas and then maybe putting a small spacer on the stock coilover. I am wanting to basically give my X a leveled look by just raising the front for the time being, and then as time goes on I will just add things such as coilovers, shocks, and some type of rear lift set up. So could I get away with just getting new ucas and a small spacer for the time being, or am I going to need something else? Also, does anyone know what size spacer would raise the nose enough for a leveled look?
     
  2. obi_krash

    obi_krash Suspension Lift

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    Camber bolts - you will want those so you can get an proper alignment if you put some spacers on the coil overs.
    I ran the MX with 2in spacers and 2inch shackles in the back for about 2 years (check out the early pics in the build thread). She had enough clearance to get over the bad stuff and a good look. Honestly I felt for the price - why get the 1in plates if you are using stock coil overs, scew it - get the bigger ones.

    I would really suggest scoping out some build threads. Alot of us have run the spacer/shackle set ups with great results.
     
  3. RioDeColumbia

    RioDeColumbia Bought an X

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    Ha, I did notice that a lot of people just put in a spacers and shackles but it almost always results in coil bucket contact. That was why I was considering getting the UCAs from the start to avoid the CBC from he beginning. I am just trying to decide what the best route to go would be. I guess I could do an add a leaf or shackle in the rear to compensate for the spacer in the front, but I am not sure it is necessary or not?
     
  4. obi_krash

    obi_krash Suspension Lift

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    I did not find it necessary to do an AAL till I put in a 3in spacer. If you are doing the 2in with shackle, it will look good. One of our Richmond guys is running that exact set up and it performs great on and offroad.
    But yeah, aftermarket UCAs make all the difference. I didn't get them until just this past May or so. So I ran almost 2 years with the awesome CBC. If you an avoid it, I would say go.
     
  5. RioDeColumbia

    RioDeColumbia Bought an X

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    Well I really want to avoid the CBC, so I think I am going to get the UCAs. What size spacer do you think I should get then, and should I add anything to the rear also?
     
  6. obi_krash

    obi_krash Suspension Lift

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    If you grab a 2in spacer, really all I would get is a shackle for the rear.
    and AAL will make it pretty high with just 2inches.
    (I don't even know where to get the 3in ones anymore, and 1in is just blah).
     
  7. RioDeColumbia

    RioDeColumbia Bought an X

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    So if I were to get the UCAs, a 2" spacer, and an adjustable shackle, I should be good? Well also some camber bolts also.
     
  8. obi_krash

    obi_krash Suspension Lift

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    Yes sir, you would be ready to have a bit of fun without worry.
    Drop the rear sway bar while you are under there.
     
  9. RioDeColumbia

    RioDeColumbia Bought an X

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    Great! And I definitely will take the rear sway bar off also. I've go another question... Would there be an advantage to buying an adjustable shackle over an aal for the rear?
     
  10. obi_krash

    obi_krash Suspension Lift

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    At some point you will want both, to get the most lift out of our stock leaf pack.
    They both provide lift. The shackle pushes your leaf pack down to lift and the AAL adds to the structure to provide more lift.

    I think at this point is a matter of opinion. Some people choose to go the shackle route, then AAL. Some people choose to go AAL and shackle.
    I personally did the shackle when I did my 2in spacers because I didn't want my rear end too high. I think it looks nicely leveled that one. I only added the AAL when I bumped up my spacers.
     
  11. RioDeColumbia

    RioDeColumbia Bought an X

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    How much of a lift difference will there be between an adjustable shackle vs a single aal?
     
  12. obi_krash

    obi_krash Suspension Lift

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    I could be wrong here - but pretty sure either one gives you 2in of lift in the back.
     
  13. RioDeColumbia

    RioDeColumbia Bought an X

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    So would it be better to go with a shackle lift in the rear or an aal? The aal is cheaper than the shackle but the shackle can be adjusted to different. So I was wondering if it is worth the extra money to get a shcakle lift vs an aal?
     
  14. obi_krash

    obi_krash Suspension Lift

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    You reserve more options with the shackle - so if you put it to 2in and dont like it (if that is a thing) you can pop it down one.
    If you AAL, you AAL. Only way to come down is to take it off.
     
  15. JeffPro4x

    JeffPro4x Titan Swapped / SAS'd Moderator Supporting Member

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    Or add more weight to the rear.

    I ran a 1.5" spacer/aal until I installed my rear bumper. I lost almost an inch so I added adjustable shackles set at the middle hole to regain height. But then you need longer rear shocks, brake line extension etc...
     
  16. obi_krash

    obi_krash Suspension Lift

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    Thank you Jeff, I thought I was really hoping someone with a different set up would jump in.
     
  17. RioDeColumbia

    RioDeColumbia Bought an X

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    So I guess the shackle is probably the better option to go with for the time being if sounds like. And thank you for all the help, the Nation makes this much easier! Now I just can't wait to see the difference these components make!
     
  18. obi_krash

    obi_krash Suspension Lift

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    Rio - are on facebook? A pair of top mount spacers are being sold for $90

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  19. TJTJ

    TJTJ Skid Plates Founding Member

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    The shackles are cheaper, ride softer, don't sag with time, and add wheel travel.

    The AAL are more expensive, ride stiffer, sag with time, and subtract wheel travel.


    Combining them is popular, as the added height is a plus, and the added travel from the shackle makes up for the loss in travel from the AAL, and the added stiffness can makes things more under control with more weight and at a higher COG.

    You can't practically use ONLY shackles to get the same full height, as TOO long a shackle can make a stuffed axle flatten or reverse arch the pack.

    AAL with MORE leaves ride better and hurt travel less...than AAL with 1-2 leaves, etc. A SINGLE LEAF AAL is the worst option.
     
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  20. njnewbe

    njnewbe Test Drive

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    I was looking at doing the 2" spacer lift as well, but my rear sags quite a bit so im wondering if I am better odf just replacing my leafs for 2" ones?

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  21. JeffPro4x

    JeffPro4x Titan Swapped / SAS'd Moderator Supporting Member

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    I'll always recommend new springs.

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  22. njnewbe

    njnewbe Test Drive

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    Ok thats what I was thinking. If I do a 2" lift in the back should I do spacers or upgrade the coils as well to 2"

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  23. JeffPro4x

    JeffPro4x Titan Swapped / SAS'd Moderator Supporting Member

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    That all depends on your budget and your plans for the truck. I run spacers, but I was impatient. If I had it to do over, personally, I would've waited until I could do UCAs and coilovers.

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  24. njnewbe

    njnewbe Test Drive

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    What exactly do the UCAs do? I want to do this lift right and ive read up to two inches you dont need to upgrade the UCAs.

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  25. JeffPro4x

    JeffPro4x Titan Swapped / SAS'd Moderator Supporting Member

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    Correct. You are supposed to not need them under 2". I got coil bucket contact with 2" spacers though. I installed bump stops on my own UCAs. Aftermarket UCAs allow more travel with longer coilovers.

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  26. njnewbe

    njnewbe Test Drive

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    Awesome thank you for your insight. Hopefully I will be able to get the ball rolling soon.

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