BFGoodrich KO2

Tay-Lo

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Upstate SC
I just found out that these might be getting released in December. Has anybody else heard about this? Specs, differences, ect?

I would like to try and wait it out but I'm afraid I'll have to get new tires before then....especially with WENT coming up..
 

05x4x4

First Fill-Up (of many)
Would this be the tire your referring to?


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I don't think the small changes will do much other than the looks, I think they will need to redesign the whole tire and bring it up to the 'duratrac' standard.
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Tay-Lo

I'm the king of junk food!
Location
Upstate SC
I was told this on the book of faces

" KO2s will hopefully launch in Dec FYI.... "

So I'm guessing they're completely new.....kinda like KM to KM2
 

drbandkgb

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Yeah just searched this.. Looks like the duratracs has scared BFG a little.. The side lugs are pretty cool.. I live the set we have on Francine and would put these on her too
 

Tay-Lo

I'm the king of junk food!
Location
Upstate SC
Would this be the tire your referring to?



I don't think the small changes will do much other than the looks, I think they will need to redesign the whole tire and bring it up to the 'duratrac' standard.
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Thats the "old" tire. I got the impression there was going to be a redesign of it.
 

Tay-Lo

I'm the king of junk food!
Location
Upstate SC
Yeah just searched this.. Looks like the duratracs has scared BFG a little.. The side lugs are pretty cool.. I live the set we have on Francine and would put these on her too

Really now? I'm looking at tires and was honestly thinking Coopers with how so many people run them....Just don't know which style.
 

05x4x4

First Fill-Up (of many)
When you search it, that's the tire that pops up, and I've seen this 'thread' on expo portal, I'm 98% sure this is the tire.


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Xado89

Skid Plates
Location
Ocala, FL
Nice looking tire. The side lugs would deff help out in the mud, since those tires don't do too well in it as they are right now.

I'm actually looking forward to Falken's Mud Terrain.
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Xado89

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Location
Ocala, FL
Looks like a suped up km1, I'm so far out of the tire market I'm not even thinking about it.

Sent from space and stuff

Yeah, it does resemble the KM's I have now. I like them aside from they're old as dirt and need to be brought out back and taken care of. If Falken's can make something similar minus the big BFG price tag, that would be awesome.
 

Tay-Lo

I'm the king of junk food!
Location
Upstate SC
I did a little reading about the KO2 and it looks like there were some "leaked" pics of the tire....the ones 05x4x4 posted with a thicker side wall being the main difference. With that said, I doubt I'll wait anylonger than I would anyways to get new tires.....Gotta get them by WENT so I can actually have fun.
 

05x4x4

First Fill-Up (of many)
I wouldn't waste my money on them, it'll take more than a 'cool' sidewall to get me back to BFG AT's. I'm too sold on the duratrac's


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05x4x4

First Fill-Up (of many)
Yup but I've never used Duratracs so I'm still looking around

You should consider DuraTracs, I have 20k miles on mine and they look almost new. Discount tire is guessing I'll get almost 50k out of them, and I wheel the hell out of them.


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05x4x4

First Fill-Up (of many)
I guess I must be just get lucky, you can see my wheels where they look like zebra strips from rubbing on rocks and what nots.


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TheFauxFox

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Huntsville, AL
I guess I must be just get lucky, you can see my wheels where they look like zebra strips from rubbing on rocks and what nots.


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Haven't cut mine either. My friends like playing in the rocks a lot, too.

I like the new sidewall design of these BFGs.
 

05x4x4

First Fill-Up (of many)
The new sidewalls I'm sure will help, as right as the center section is, it doesn't clean out well and I just don't think it can do as much a the GY duratrac. It's more of a 'aggressive' street tire. They all ready have the BF Long Trail it doesn't make since to me not to totally redesign the AT tire to compete with GY. The only thing that BFG has a 35 yrs of this same tire design and what worked 35 yrs ago isn't working today especially with as many advancements that have been made in the offroad tire market.


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Xado89

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Location
Ocala, FL
Ill give bfg some credit. My km's have more cracks than a plumbers convention and I still get to work everyday on them and occasionally through the.mudhole and woods. Dunno how.much beefier they are compared to the a/t, though.

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rokdaddy

Wheeling
Founding Member
Location
New Mexico
^^ Very close from what I've seen.^^
Discount Tire has already begun to issue warnings regarding future reorders of the current design.

-Rok
 
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hoplesshumansrus

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I was just at the BF Goodrich factory about two weeks ago and got to look at the KO2's or "Kongs" as the employees were calling them. The side wall lugs were not as big as I was expecting but they still looked very good and functional. The proper tread was near identical to the KM2 so it really is just an addition of the side wall tread. But I love my KM2's so I will def be looking at these. They guy said they will be out late fall/early winter. I probably could have taken a picture but I didn't want to piss of the guy at the beginning of my compliance check/ facility tour.
 

Tay-Lo

I'm the king of junk food!
Location
Upstate SC
Good to know these are looking to be a nice replacement tire.....though it'll be a while till I need new tires....just got the ko's a few months ago.
 

TJTJ

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Founding Member
Location
NJ
Historically, a main strength of the AT ko had been that people were getting 80-95 k miles per set, making them less expensive in the long run. The Duratracs have been - so far, getting closer to ~ 60k, but, are more aggressive. The more aggressive a tread, typically, the lower your mileage on them.

Essentially, the AT ko are aggressive AT's, and the Duratracs are Mild MT's (Called Commercial Traction in tire lingo). The Duratrac is a much more modern design, albeit the sidewalls seem to be prone to rock rips in some terrain, cactus needle flats in the tread, and some other durability issues that the AT ko seems to be better at (But not invulnerable to)

The General and Cooper have their newer AT variations that are very good, if slightly less aggressive than the AT ko and Duratrac.


When you look at tires that will be used off road, and, in snow, for DD's especially....there are typically compromises to be made.

Essentially, the softness of the snow or terrain will dictate what type of tread works on it.


So, if where you drive, the snow is hard packed/icy, an MT or more aggressive tread pattern, as they use large tread blocks that have to sink INTO the surface to get bite for traction...the way a paddle wheel work on a paddle boat...will NOT be able to penetrate the surface unless its soft ENOUGH to let a tread element sink in.

The harder the surface, the smaller the tread elements need to be to still sink in.


Its the same principle that tells you to wear sneakers to play basketball on a hard court surface, and cleats on a wet grass field for soccer, etc.

The cleats can't sink into the basketball court, and you skitter along w/o traction.....and the sneakers would slip/slide like crazy on the wet grass as they have nothing TO sink into it...but grip like crazy on a the concrete.


The deeper the snow, the better an aggressive tread works. The harder packed the snow is, the better a less aggressive tread works. This is one reason you can have 2 people argue that the SAME tire SUCKS, AND, ROCKS in "snow".

If one guy's snow is softer, or harder, what works, and doesn't - will be different.

So, they are both right, but, if going by their recommendation, you want to have the same snow they did for it to work.

:D



If you want a dedicated trail rig, MT's are almost always better, as the large aggressive tread elements work like paddles through the goo, and can wrap rocks and terrain better. For sand, an AT is sometimes a better compromise, as they tend not to bury themselves as easily/have more contact surface for floatation.

For hard dirt, AT's again have an edge, for the same reasons...an MT can't sink large elements into the dirt if the dirt is too hard...but can if the dirt is soft enough.


So, you choose the weapon(s) that make sense for where you go/what you do...and, know that for other conditions/scenarios, you MIGHT be wearing cleats to the basketball game and sneakers to the soccer game, etc.

:D



The same goes for whether a tire gets rock damage. Rocks are not all the same. Some areas have sharper rocks, and/or rocks that tend to present sharper edges than others, due to the geography/geology of that area. Some trails are wetter, or drier. Wet rubber slices much easier, so, wet sharp rocked rails are much more sidewall deadly in general for example.

That again leads to the same tire sucking and rocking in rocks, depending on what rocks. I always recommend going with whatever the other experienced people in that area go with, as, that's typically what works there.
 
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drbandkgb

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Historically, a main strength of the AT ko had been that people were getting 80-95 k miles per set, making them less expensive in the long run. The Duratracs have been - so far, getting closer to ~ 60k, but, are more aggressive. The more aggressive a tread, typically, the lower your mileage on them.

Essentially, the AT ko are aggressive AT's, and the Duratracs are Mild MT's (Called Commercial Traction in tire lingo). The Duratrac is a much more modern design, albeit the sidewalls seem to be prone to rock rips in some terrain, cactus needle flats in the tread, and some other durability issues that the AT ko seems to be better at (But not invulnerable to)

The General and Cooper have their newer AT variations that are very good, if slightly less aggressive than the AT ko and Duratrac.


When you look at tires that will be used of road, and, in snow, for DD's especially....there are typically compromises to be made.

Essentially, the softness of the snow or terrain will dictate what type of tread works on it.


So, if where you drive, the snow is hard packed/icy, an MT or more aggressive tread pattern, as they use large tread blocks that have to sink INTO the surface to get bite for traction...the way a paddle wheel work on a paddle boat...will NOT be able to penetrate the surface unless its soft ENOUGH to let a tread element sink in.

The harder the surface, the smaller the tread elements need to be to still sink in.


Its the same principle that tells you to wear sneakers to play basketball on a hard court surface, and cleats on a wet grass field for soccer, etc.

The cleats can't sink into the basketball court, and you skitter along w/o traction.....and the sneakers would slip/slide like crazy on the wet grass as they have nothing TO sink into it...but grip like crazy on a the concrete.


The deeper the snow, the better an aggressive tread works. The harder packed the snow is, the better a less aggressive tread works. This is one reason you can have 2 people argue that the SAME tire SUCKS, AND, ROCKS in "snow".

If one guy's snow is softer, or harder, what works, and doesn't - will be different.

So, they are both right, but, if going by their recommendation, you want to have the same snow they did for it to work.

:D



If you want a dedicated trail rig, MT's are almost always better, as the large aggressive tread elements work like paddles through the goo, and can wrap rocks and terrain better. For sand, an AT is sometimes a better compromise, as they tend not to bury themselves as easily/have more contact surface for floatation.

For hard dirt, AT's again have an edge, for the same reasons...an MT can't sink large elements into the dirt if the dirt is too hard...but can if the dirt is soft enough.


So, you choose the weapon(s) that make sense for where you go/what you do...and, know that for other conditions/scenarios, you MIGHT be wearing cleats to the basketball game and sneakers to the soccer game, etc.

:D



The same goes for whether a tire gets rock damage. Rocks are not all the same. Some areas have sharper rocks, and/or rocks that tend to present sharper edges than others, due to the geography/geology of that area. Some trails are wetter, or drier. Wet rubber slices much easier, so, wet sharp rocked rails are much more sidewall deadly in general for example.

That again leads to the same tire sucking and rocking in rocks, depending on what rocks. I always recommend going with whatever the other experienced people in that area go with, as, that's typically what works there.



What did they paste and copy have to do with the op?
 

TJTJ

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Founding Member
Location
NJ
What did they paste and copy have to do with the op?

The OP is considering tires, and, between AT ko for example, and potential alternatives.

People are suggesting alternatives, and, there are conflicting rationales they are making for their recommendations.

A main point was whether some tires were better in snow fin one example, and, rocks in another.

My post was to provide a context for how two people could say the same tire was both great and sucked, without either being wrong...and, to therefore allow the OP to weigh what factors would be relevant to them....facilitating an intelligent choice based upon actual factors to consider.

:D

I typed it right in though, no pasting.
 

webspace1982

Test Drive
Location
Indiana
Hey all,

I just wanted to clear up some misconceptions of this tire, it isn't just a new sidewall/tread design. It is a complete redesdign of the entire tire, including rubber. There is a reason BFGoodrich dominates the Baja circuit, specially this year.

http://vimeo.com/99741350 View it while you can.

Have a pleasent day!
 

Airmapper

First Fill-Up (of many)
Hmm, I didn't think I'd waver from the Duratrac, but I'm kinda thinking about these. They should be out by the time I need tires, have to see where the price falls. Longer tread life would be a big plus. I don't mind paying more for tires that last, they are cheaper overall.
 

lbishop

Need Bigger Tires
Location
Polk County,TN
from what I could tell in the video, they look pretty good. Ive got cooper st maxxs on now and love them. But Im interested to here whats said once somebody gets a set
 

Prime

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Location
Denver Adjacent
If more of the tire looked like the side lugs, I'd be there. That center section tho.....its crap. Its the same exact pattern as the old AT KO's. That interlocking design with no real gaps. It might be great out west, but here, if you so much as look at mud with tires like that, you get stuck.

That being said, if you drive 99% road, I'm sure they're FANTASTIC tires. Just as the old KOs were.
 

drbandkgb

Titan Swapped / SAS'd
Founding Member
Prime I have to agree about the mud thing.. I watched KOs slip and slide at windrock and then Duratracs drove right up using the same path...
Francine was due to get duratracs last year but they had a long back order so I went with my trusty KO that I have used in the past..
On road they are so much better of a tire than the Goodyear... Since my Gen2 is more of our Expo rig Im happy to give up a little large lug traction
to have a better over all ride..

Im a BFG nut so.. ;)
 
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