Deadpilot's Conversion from 2wd to 4x4 SAS

Deadpilot · Jul 25, 2012

midget said:
What are you doing about the disconnect? That was the biggest reason I didnt stick a dodge d60 in my truck. Also on your 8 lug conversion ive been told d44s will swap from the Cs out on any axle so you could get a set of outters from a 70s 3/4t truck with d44.

I'm torn between two ideas. One is to keep the disconnect and make it a manual pull cord or to get a custom axle shaft made to the full length. And I am probably gonna be doing the aftermarket outters to have to the high steer

midget · Jul 25, 2012

The pull chord would be better for street manners but a solid axle shaft would obviously be stronger. Either way they have bolt on kits for those axles. The 1piece shaft is pretty highpriced but the cable kit is reasonable.

Deadpilot · Jul 25, 2012

midget said:
The pull chord would be better for street manners but a solid axle shaft would obviously be stronger. Either way they have bolt on kits for those axles. The 1piece shaft is pretty highpriced but the cable kit is reasonable.

Yea the pull cord way is cheaper. And I plan on running manual hubs so all that will give me better street manners and control.

midget · Jul 25, 2012

If you are running manuals anyway Id opt for the solid axle. They are alot stronger and you dont have to worry abut the highway manners if you can unlock them.

Deadpilot · Jul 26, 2012

Very true. I'll price all the ways out and see how much more it will be. And go from there

Deadpilot · Aug 15, 2012

So here's a question for those that have done sas before. How well does the brakes off the dodge or what ever ya pulled off axle of work with the x's master cylinder ? Should that something I should look at replacing that since I'm using different brakes front and rear?

midget · Aug 15, 2012

The brake calipers are what determins that. I have double piston fronts so the first gen x mc wasnt enough but if your rocking single piston id try them first. The biggest pita is the distribution block bc of the abs unit. I bypassed mine and run the lines direct through 2 residual valves.

Deadpilot · Aug 15, 2012

Good point. I'll have to see what brake calipers i wanna run front and rear and then once it's all done see how it all works. I could always just throw a titan master cylinder in it to help out thought.

Cyclemut · Aug 15, 2012

If you're swapping both axles, you'll need to swap out the m/c. Chevy 1/2 ton unit works great. Those that say the stock unit works good enough has never driven a SAS'd X with a Chevy unit in it.

Midget, did you take out the residual valve for the rear axle before you installed residual valves of your own?

midget · Aug 15, 2012

True also the 79 f250 unit Im using is a direct bolt on as well. Lines use different threads though.

Edit I bypassed the entired abs unit and ran 2 individual residual valves but Im still having issues with my rear brakes Im pretty sure its an internal thing so I have said screw it and Im going to disc the back over the winter.

Deadpilot · Aug 15, 2012

Cyclemut said:
If you're swapping both axles, you'll need to swap out the m/c. Chevy 1/2 ton unit works great. Those that say the stock unit works good enough has never driven a SAS'd X with a Chevy unit in it.

Midget, did you take out the residual valve for the rear axle before you installed residual valves of your own?

What year for Chevy unit so I can find prices for that?

TheFauxFox · Aug 15, 2012

Deadpilot said:
What year for Chevy unit so I can find prices for that?

Some go with a '77 MC.

Cyclemut · Aug 16, 2012

midget said:
True also the 79 f250 unit Im using is a direct bolt on as well. Lines use different threads though.

Edit I bypassed the entired abs unit and ran 2 individual residual valves but Im still having issues with my rear brakes Im pretty sure its an internal thing so I have said screw it and Im going to disc the back over the winter.

The residual valve for the rear brakes isn't in the ABS module. It's on the passenger's side frame, just behind the front tire. I'd take out the one that you put in for the rear and see how it works then. I think you'll be surprised.

And a mid-70's Chevy unit works great.

Deadpilot · Aug 16, 2012

Cool thanks for that info. I'll start looking at my options and maybe find a good one for cheep.

I just want to all the parts gather up so I can start working on this.

midget · Aug 16, 2012

Cyclemut said:
The residual valve for the rear brakes isn't in the ABS module. It's on the passenger's side frame, just behind the front tire. I'd take out the one that you put in for the rear and see how it works then. I think you'll be surprised.

And a mid-70's Chevy unit works great.

I tried that originally it was doing the same thing. I had no pedal and had to pump the brakes up to get the rears to work . Enough highjacking though Im ditching my drums as soon I get the distributor & leaf spring changed.

Deadpilot · Jul 6, 2013

So the lastest purchase

Slasa · Jul 6, 2013

^ You got Wall-E?

Suh-weeeeeet!!!

Deadpilot · Jul 6, 2013

Just not as smart lol

Deadpilot · Jul 7, 2013

So now I just need to get the hubs and steering stuff then I can start the tear down and build up. Im getting closer

GhostX · Aug 2, 2013

Nice to see you posting again Jason...heard through the SCCX grapevine your are back in Brooktown. Welcome back.

John/GhostX

05x4x4 · Aug 15, 2013

What's your plan for the ABS lines?

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Deadpilot · Aug 22, 2013

05x4x4 said:
What's your plan for the ABS lines?

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I gonna try use the stock sensors and I think it was dodge tone rings since they have the same or very close count to the x.

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05x4x4 · Sep 10, 2013

Deadpilot said:
I gonna try use the stock sensors and I think it was dodge tone rings since they have the same or very close count to the x.

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Did that end up working for you. I'm thinking I'm going to attempt to use the sensors off the rear and splice the fronts into it in hopes it'll fool the system. I just wanna make sure I have a bomb proof way to "fix" the ABS system before I SAS.

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BigTim55 · Sep 24, 2013

Any update on this?

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Deadpilot · Sep 24, 2013

Not yet project is on hold till more funds come in. I need complete outers for the front. Knuckles to wheels.

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BigTim55 · Sep 24, 2013

Deadpilot said:
Not yet project is on hold till more funds come in. I need complete outers for the front. Knuckles to wheels.

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Ok. I plan on following in your footsteps on this one, I'm planning my sas conversion as we speak, and I'm kinda completely lost lol

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AZhiAZiAM · Sep 24, 2013

BigTim55 said:
Ok. I plan on following in your footsteps on this one, I'm planning my sas conversion as we speak, and I'm kinda completely lost lol

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i'm fairly sure that is everyones first thought when they think about SAS

Edodrian · Sep 25, 2013

AZhiAZiAM said:
i'm fairly sure that is everyones first thought when they think about SAS

Took me 4 years to decide fully on what to do.

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Edodrian · Sep 25, 2013

I honestly can't wait to see how this turns out. I love seeing this scale of modification.

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Deadpilot · Sep 27, 2013

BigTim55 said:
Ok. I plan on following in your footsteps on this one, I'm planning my sas conversion as we speak, and I'm kinda completely lost lol

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If ya have any question just hit me up and I can try and help out

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Deadpilot · Sep 27, 2013

Yea sas isnt the same as doing a tswap. There is alot more options its can be overwhelming at 1st but its it will be worth it in the end.
And this swap may happen alittle sooner that expected since I think my front wheel bearing may be going. And there is no reason to to replace when it will be replaced with a completely different axle

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Deadpilot · Feb 26, 2014

So I finally gotta do some work on this project. I was able to cut off all the old dodge brackets off the front axle and I'm getting ready to clean it up and take some measurements for my 3 link. I'll take some pics in the morning

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OffRdX · Apr 17, 2014

Any progression lately?

Deadpilot · Apr 17, 2014

Sadly no. I had surgery on my shoulder so I'm down for a couple more weeks. Then I can hit the pick pull yards to get a few more parts

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gardy · May 24, 2014

Subscribing, I'm having a rotator cuff and labrum tear being repaired in 2 weeks, best of luck and looking forward to seeing this build move along!

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Deadpilot · May 31, 2014

gardy said:
Subscribing, I'm having a rotator cuff and labrum tear being repaired in 2 weeks, best of luck and looking forward to seeing this build move along!

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Good luck on that it will suck for awhile but it will get better.

And now I have about 75% strength back in my shoulder and so I finished cleaning up the front axle. But I think I'm leaning towards selling the dana 44's and moving up to the dana 60's.

I was trying to go with 8 lug hubs but to get it for the d 44 seems to be a pain and I might as will go big since I have a good tc. The motor and trans will stay. And I the goal of my X is going to be hard core expeditionary rig and will have a custom trailer to go with it.

Thoughts anyone? Am I crazy? Lol

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gardy · May 31, 2014

If your gonna sas the X go big with it, not many people can say they have that bad ass of a rig..

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TheFauxFox · May 31, 2014

Deadpilot said:
Good luck on that it will suck for awhile but it will get better.

And now I have about 75% strength back in my shoulder and so I finished cleaning up the front axle. But I think I'm leaning towards selling the dana 44's and moving up to the dana 60's.

I was trying to go with 8 lug hubs but to get it for the d 44 seems to be a pain and I might as will go big since I have a good tc. The motor and trans will stay. And I the goal of my X is going to be hard core expeditionary rig and will have a custom trailer to go with it.

Thoughts anyone? Am I crazy? Lol

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You are crazy... Crazy awesome.

dhyde79 · May 31, 2014

Deadpilot said:
Good luck on that it will suck for awhile but it will get better. And now I have about 75% strength back in my shoulder and so I finished cleaning up the front axle. But I think I'm leaning towards selling the dana 44's and moving up to the dana 60's. I was trying to go with 8 lug hubs but to get it for the d 44 seems to be a pain and I might as will go big since I have a good tc. The motor and trans will stay. And I the goal of my X is going to be hard core expeditionary rig and will have a custom trailer to go with it. Thoughts anyone? Am I crazy? Lol Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk

If it's an expo rig, 60's may be overkill, remember, keeping weight down is fairly important....a rock rig that you plan on beating up hard, 60's hell yes, but, for expo, 44's are plenty, in my opinion.

Deadpilot · May 31, 2014

TheFauxFox said:
You are crazy... Crazy awesome.

Good point lol

dhyde79 said:
If it's an expo rig, 60's may be overkill, remember, keeping weight down is fairly important....a rock rig that you plan on beating up hard, 60's hell yes, but, for expo, 44's are plenty, in my opinion.

True but when you are fully armored you aren't really saving weight either. My thoughts are having the heavy duty parts. I am having a np205 so that may over kill to some too. Also I have access to old hmmvw beadlocks and the 37 in tires they used too. That's why I'm thinking going to the d 60

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Deadpilot's Conversion from 2wd to 4x4 SAS

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